Butterfly Shawl Crochet Along from knit.1 mag [Archive]

funkyreporter

July 3, 2006, 10:00 PM

:cheer Okay, Hookers, it was suggested in another thread and here it is:
The Butterfly Shawl Crochet Along!!!!!!!

The pattern is in the Vogue Knitting publication knit.1, Summer 2006, Art Issue.... here's a link to the magazine www.knit1mag.com (http://www.knit1mag.com) . If you click on the link, then click on "in this issue" and you'll see four pictures. Click on the one in the top left corner, the lady with the funny hat and too much lipstick, and you'll see THE SHAWL!!!!! I think the designer is Noreen Crone-Findlay (if I'm reading this right) and it's a BEAUTY!!!

It is done in motifs, 21 butterfly motifs and seven triangle motifs, so it would be a good 'take-along' project and then it has some fancy-smancy way of attaching them together so there is a lot of lacey look to it, as you can see in the picture...

So, I'm starting it... anybody else interested, let me know, otherwise I'm gonna feel really stupid doing a Crochet Along by myself!

Incidentally, if you're hesitant to buy a knitting magazine just for one crochet pattern, the magazine is AWESOME! It has interesting articles including the graffitti knitters and also a story about the battle over the name Stitch N Bitch and a display of beautiful textile arts!

Enjoy!!!!!

December 22nd edit: If anyone is joining us at the beginning of 2007 or is new to this thread or missed this info, there is a correction to the smaller triangular butterfly here http://www.hankeringforyarn.com/the-crocheted-butterfly-shawl-the-correction-for-the-triangular-butterfly/
and also if you need the pattern the magazine is becoming more difficult to find but I did find a source for the Summer 2006 Art Issue of knit.1 magazine here http://www.jimmybeanswool.com/secure-html/onlinegen/currgen/Vogue/VogueKnittingInternationalMagazine.asp?showLarge=t rue&specPCVID=7096

Looking forward to lots of Butterfly Shawls for Spring of 2007! Imagine them flowing in the breeze.... ah, just lovely....

aurora

July 4, 2006, 03:35 AM

I'm a REALLY new crocheter. I really want this shawl. D'ya reckon I'd be able to do it? Or should I not bite off more than I can chew at this early stage?

Lisaizme

July 4, 2006, 03:43 AM

Noreen's website where she talks a little about designing the shawl is at

http://www.crone-findlay.com
edit.. that's her main page.. where the shawl is talked about is on her blog (http://www.hankeringforyarn.com/). (I should know better than to post at 1am)

I just asked her what weight of yarn was recommended for this shawl (because I dont have the pattern yet) and here's what she told me:

Lion Brand crochet cotton. I used 12 balls for it. I used 4 strands held together for the butterflies at the center, and 1 strand for the background mesh. If you make a shorter fringe, you will not need so much cotton.......
:o)

Aurora.. I don't know how hard it will be... but give it a whirl.. their will likely be lots of us to help you once this gets started.

Now I better get to bed so I can get to Michaels tomorrow. :hook

angelfire

July 4, 2006, 07:22 AM

looks really nice

GinaLaughed

July 4, 2006, 08:38 AM

Uh-oh....I smell trouble a brewing in this house!!! :yes

I really, really, really want that shawl! I haven't finished my other CAL's yet. I haven't even worked on them in AGES! Dare I start yet another project? What will dh say? :think

I'm probably going to join you. I don't know if my LYS will be open tomorrow but I'll check it out and I'll try JoAnn's too. Think of me....I'm going into battle just asking to go to either of these places! ;) (It wouldn't be so bad if I could finish what I start...dh is pretty tolerant and usually gives in to my every whim...but like I said...I haven't even worked on any of my other CAL's in ages.)

artemis

July 4, 2006, 09:43 AM

Oh, I think I'm in!
My sister has asked for a black shawl to wear on cool summer evenings. This is just what I imagined...except I cannot imagine giving away that beautiful work of art.
I think it would look okay in black. What do you all think?
I like Lion Brand Crochet Cotton and I've seen the magazine everywhere, so I'll get it and have a go at it.
I won't be starting until I get back from the CGOA convention on the 16th. I've got homework I have to do for that and a pink top whose seams and edging need to get done so I can wear it there on Saturday when everyone wears pink for breast cancer awareness.
Thanks, Paulette, for putting us on to this. I don't think you'll be crocheting alone! And I know I will be laughing at your every post!

funkyreporter

July 4, 2006, 11:23 AM

OH, this is exciting!!!! I'm so glad that others are as enthralled with this beautiful shawl as I am!

In reply to the query in an earlier post, I think it would look splendid in black, and I cannot imagine giving it away.

Also, to the newer crocheter pondering as to whether they'd be taking on too much, I think this would be okay as it's done in 'little bites' - 20 motifs I think - so if the first couple don't look so great you could eliminate them from the ones that go into the final item!

I love the link that was put up to the designer's site... the picture of her showing the back of the shawl with the trees in the background is breathtaking!

Oh, I must decide on a color now! Part of me wants to do a nuetral or white yet I'm eyeing this lovely salmon color that I bought a while back for no apprent reason.... decisions, decisions...

Lisaizme

July 4, 2006, 02:23 PM

Oh wow. I emailed Noreen last night that there was a CAL starting for her shawl and she said she would have to join C-ville and join the CAL. She didn't get to keep her own shawl that she sent to Vogue :eek and needed to make another one.

Wouldn't that be cool to have the designer working with us??!! :cheer :c9

I don't think I"m getting to go to Michaels today.. storming and I don't like to get on the roads on a holiday. Maybe I'll just find somewhere to buy it locally. :) If it's meant to happen, it will happen. I have faith.

Lead on fearless Leader (aka *****'s Mom.. :lol )

Lisa

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 4, 2006, 02:55 PM

Hello :)
I'm Noreen Crone-Findlay, the designer of the Butterfly shawl. After Lisa emailed me to tell me that there's a crochet along happening on the shawl, I decided that it would be a great idea to join in! I would love to have the shawl as well,
(LOL! I don't get to keep most of the things I design!) so..... this is a great opportunity to get going on one for me!
I am just going off to chat about it on my blog: www.hankeringforyarn.com
hugs all round,
Noreen :yes

AmyS

July 4, 2006, 04:29 PM

Welcome to Crochetville, Noreen! We are so glad to have you here.

:woo

artemis

July 4, 2006, 04:48 PM

This is too cool! Thank you for joining us Noreen!
I purchased the magazine at the grocery store today. The shawl is beautiful and it was good to see some additional views.
I did notice that is is ranked as an expert level piece. That doesn't scare me...although I am far from expert! It does mean that I'm glad we will all be helping each other.
Yum, yum, yum...I can't wait to get started...but not until after convention!!!

gemini53

July 4, 2006, 05:32 PM

:manyheart I want play too! I always read Noreen I remember her from the Cloth doll magazine I have one of her books. I am excited:yes

Lisaizme

July 4, 2006, 05:42 PM

I'm working on making a button for this.. as soon as Noreen says yea or nay on using one of her images, I'll get started.

If someone else has more experience in making buttons.. I'll most GLADLY bow out and let them do it.

funkyreporter

July 4, 2006, 05:44 PM

This is so wonderful to have you with us, Noreen!:nworthy Your talent is amazing and I loved reading on your blog how you 'create' the butterflies...

I am so EXCITED! This will be a challenge, but I figure in 'little bites' and support from each other it should be a wonderfl experience!

Thank you so much for joining us on Crochetville!:yay

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 4, 2006, 06:48 PM

Thank you so much, Amy!
I look forward to being part of the community!
I am going to be slightly delayed on joining in on the crochet a long, as I have to spin the yarn for the shawl first! LOL!
hugs
Noreen

Lisaizme

July 4, 2006, 07:42 PM

Here's the button such as it is. I only have paint (well, I do have photoshop.. but I dont like it much, overly complex for my needs) and I'm not very experienced at making buttons.

Anyone who wants to do a better one, please go ahead.

Thank you Noreen for letting me use your image.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/Lisaizme/blogger%20stuff/BSCAL2.jpg

Please upload to your own server (photobucket, flickr, webshots, whateveryouuse). Thanks!!!

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 4, 2006, 09:00 PM

:c9
Hi everyone!
I am new to the whole forum thing, so I'm on a learning curve here!
I am so delighted with the positive response to my design!:yay
I've just posted a few more notes........
and will be posting more as the CAL progresses!
Butterfly hugs all round!
Noreen:yes

funkyreporter

July 4, 2006, 09:03 PM

Noreen, it is such a thrill to have you join us as we pay homage to your beautiful design!

I just sat down to make my first butterfly and his head came out a little wonky so I'm gonna give it another shot until I get the 'feel' of it! That's how it goes for me with most patterns... a bit of frogging until I get it right!

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 4, 2006, 09:05 PM

:lol Lisa, I had the image of a tiny jade frog being stitched into the Butterfly shawl somewhere along the fringe! :clap
Hope the next one 'clicks' for you!
hugs
Noreen

funkyreporter

July 4, 2006, 09:05 PM

I'm a REALLY new crocheter. I really want this shawl. D'ya reckon I'd be able to do it? Or should I not bite off more than I can chew at this early stage?

Aurora, I say GO FOR IT!!!!! I think you'll do fine and of course we'll help you along... and with the designer on board this seems like a perfect opportunity to expand your crochet horizons!:clap

GinaLaughed

July 4, 2006, 11:52 PM

Ohhhhh....I'm so excited about the CAL. DH likes the shawl and I have the go ahead to buy yarn and mag without having convince him that I need it! :clap

:welcome Hi Noreen! I am so thrilled that you are joining us! I think you will love it there at the 'ville. I keep trying to give it up because I have so many things to do but there's so much inspiration here that I just can't leave. The 'ville is just home...ya know? :)

I didn't get to the LYS today...I don't think it's open today. I don't know if I can get it before Friday as we have been so broke lately. I can't wait to get to my LYS. I'm going to pamper myself and buy some realy feel good yarn. Everything I've made since I've been crocheting has been for someone else (except for a small scarf I needed last winter) so now is the time for me!

Lisa....you did a fantastic job on the button. :cheer I wish I had time to snag it right now so I can put it on my blog, but my kiddos want to go see fireworks and I still have to get ready real quick.

funkyreporter....thank you so much starting this CAL! I never read knit magazines and I would have never found this. What a treasure. I think I'll starting picking up knitting mags a little more often now. :)

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 5, 2006, 01:03 AM

Thanks so much, Gina!
and where can I see the button?
This is all so new to me that I am peddling as fast as I can!
BTW, I have just uploaded a series of posts to my sacred dollmaking blog, showing how I made a wooden one of a kind doll in celebration of a wonderful old doll that my splendiferous daughter found for me at an antiques mall....
it's on http://www.sacreddollsandbears.com/
Fun!
hugs all round
Noreen

Lisaizme

July 5, 2006, 01:14 AM

Thanks so much, Gina!
and where can I see the button?
This is all so new to me that I am peddling as fast as I can!

button is here:

http://www.crochetville.org/forum/showpost.php?p=407442&postcount=16

you're doing great for just starting at C'ville. It's a big place, but everyone is friendly & helpful.

:hook

Lisaizme

July 5, 2006, 10:08 AM

Paulette, You've already started? wow.

I'm still trying to decide on yarn. Too bad the Lion cotton only comes in white & ecru.

I'm looking at some at elann .. some hemp http://tinyurl.com/rfpnf that is beautiful, but I probably won't let myself afford it.

I will probably go with Sonata http://tinyurl.com/ptbhn

or Pharoah http://tinyurl.com/rzyut because they are just alittle more economical. I may even have some sonata in my stash.. I shall have to check.

I really like the colors of the hemp tho. Considering making the butterflies in the sapphire moon blue and then connecting them with the dream blue (IF that would work.. still have yet to get the pattern..:lol )

What yarn/thread and color are ya'll using? I know Noreen is spinning up a storm.. she and I may be ready to start at the same time. :)

funkyreporter

July 5, 2006, 10:35 AM

Well, Lisa, I sorta started:think ... I chose to use #10 cotton thread in the color natural (I know, sounds boring) but I love the look of Noreen's finished shawl and I also wanted the challenge of holding the four strands together, and I want to be able to wear this with as many outfits as possible because it's so beautiful! I've done that with yarn, holding three strands, but it was a Q hook - this is a bit different!

I'm off to a rocky start here... I keep getting a wonky body and I want to figure that part out before I start attaching wings! Shelle is always patient with me - she understands my learning curve and said she'd help me!

Tell you a little secret: I got a bit flustered and this burgundy alpaca yarn kept jumping into my lap and nuzzling up against me and it BROUGHT ITS OWN PATTERN!!! Boy, yarn these days. So I started the Lizette Shawl which is gorgeous and also seems to basically be a huge doily with arm slits! It's done in trebles and chains so it's going super-fast, and I of course have no problem having many WIPs going, so I will start again with Madame Butterfly tonight with a fresh approach!

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 5, 2006, 01:29 PM

Hi Everyone
Lisa, I have my silk blocks on order, but they aren't here yet, so nope, I am not spinning on it yet....... but, boy when they get here! LOL! Look out!

BIG NEWS! My editor said that they made a mistake in the pattern! I have posted the url for the correction on my blog at www.hankeringforyarn.com

I will be out of the studio all day, and won't have a chance to get to it till later, but I will work up a square right away and make sure that they have got it right, now............

I will go through the magazine instructions point by point to see where they slipped up, and let them know if there is still a problem, and will certainly let you know, too!

I hate it when this kind of thing happens, and hope that it hasn't messed people up!

By the way, I am also thinking that saphire blue wings and black body would be wonderful.......

I'll be looking for pearls soon for my daughter's wedding shawl...
hugs
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com

christinacoghill

July 5, 2006, 09:34 PM

After seeing Noreen designed this shawl I am getting this Knit 1 issue. I must have missed it when I looked thru it briefy at the Yarn store. It is lovely and i must have one!

Lisaizme

July 5, 2006, 10:56 PM

I'm off to a rocky start here... I keep getting a wonky body and I want to figure that part out before I start attaching wings! Shelle is always patient with me - she understands my learning curve and said she'd help me!

Tell you a little secret: I got a bit flustered and this burgundy alpaca yarn kept jumping into my lap and nuzzling up against me and it BROUGHT ITS OWN PATTERN!!! Boy, yarn these days. So I started the Lizette Shawl which is gorgeous and also seems to basically be a huge doily with arm slits! It's done in trebles and chains so it's going super-fast, and I of course have no problem having many WIPs going, so I will start again with Madame Butterfly tonight with a fresh approach!

Well... where is Shelle? She needs to be on this CAL.

And I dont suppose there is anyway I could get you to post a pic (or even a link to the pattern would be good) of the Lizette shawl?

Golly.. I'm such a shawlaholic

And you posted somewhere else that you haven't seen a Seraphina shawl? oh my.. we have to fix that. It's a great pattern, Doni, the creator even put pics up of the shawl in progress.....

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/donisfuff/croshawl.html

Wondering.. is Lion cotton size 10 thread or something else?? I have found gobs & gobs of speedcrosheen today............(probably too thick)

I MUST get to town and buy this pattern book.. if only life didn't get in the way.

funkyreporter

July 5, 2006, 11:35 PM

Here's the link to the Lizette Shawl Crochetville thread 'cause I wanted to show how pretty it is and in the initial post I put a link to a the gal who sells them on eBay, Carol Christmas I think...

http://www.crochetville.org/forum/showthread.php?t=29885&highlight=pretty+shawl

Lisaizme

July 6, 2006, 12:02 AM

That reminds me sooooooooooo much of a sweater shawl pattern I have. I need to go find it and see if they are essentially the same. The pattern I have is by a lady named Dorothy something or anohter.. I think. short & long term memory problems here.. :)

GinaLaughed

July 6, 2006, 03:24 AM

Well, Lisa, I sorta started:think ... I chose to use #10 cotton thread in the color natural
I wanted to do this in thread but I was thinking of #3 instead of #10. Doesn't the pattern call for superfine yarn? How much do you thinking making this in #10 or #3 thread will affect the size? I haven't fully decided on what I'm going to do yet. I went to my LYS today but they didn't have the mag! :eek Oh the horror of it all! ;) At least I got a chance to familiarize myself with some beautiful yarn! I was holding some really yummy mercerized cotton (I think it was superfine) and I thought that it had a very nice feel for my shawl but i don't know.... :think Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Just before you posted about this CAL, I had been scouring the internet looking for shawl patterns that had a soft, wispy look...kinda like mohair....do you think this shawl will look good like this one? I have no idea. I haven't worked with enough good and different yarn to know these kind of these yet.

I'm off to a rocky start here... I keep getting a wonky body and I want to figure that part out before I start attaching wings!
I was curious to know if the corrected pattern helped you out any? Any luck on this?

Tell you a little secret: I got a bit flustered and this burgundy alpaca yarn kept jumping into my lap and nuzzling up against me and it BROUGHT ITS OWN PATTERN!!! Boy, yarn these days.
Heh, heh, heh......I have some yarn like this too. :lol

GinaLaughed

July 6, 2006, 03:38 AM

BIG NEWS! My editor said that they made a mistake in the pattern! I have posted the url for the correction on my blog at www.hankeringforyarn.com (http://www.hankeringforyarn.com)

I will go through the magazine instructions point by point to see where they slipped up, and let them know if there is still a problem, and will certainly let you know, too!

I hate it when this kind of thing happens, and hope that it hasn't messed people up!
I hate it too! What a bummer! Thanks for letting us know. I haven't even started yet so maybe all this will be worked out before I get started.

I'll be looking for pearls soon for my daughter's wedding shawl...
Just before this CAL came up (I mean like just hours before it was posted) I was looking for a soft, wispy, beaded shawl pattern. I was thinking of maybe trying to add beads to this shawl but I don't think I'm experienced enough to wing it all. I'll have to work up a butterfly and see how it works first and then go from there, I suppose. Do you have any tips for us on this?

artemis

July 6, 2006, 08:31 AM

I was thinking of maybe trying to add beads to this shawl but I don't think I'm experienced enough to wing it all. I'll have to work up a butterfly and see how it works first and then go from there, I suppose. Do you have any tips for us on this?

Oh, I think that's a great idea. Let us know what you try.

funkyreporter

July 6, 2006, 10:50 AM

Well, in answer to an inquiry I did attempt my first (failed) butterfly with four strands of #10 held together... it was a little too big for the F hook so I know that Noreen must have used a finer thread... but, being that I'm a little fluffy myself I figure if it comes out bigger than expected that wouldn't be all bad. Of course if my butterflies come out too big, like giant scary monster butterflies then I'll have to rethink this... maybe two strands of #10 held together... hmmm.

And, no, I haven't attempted again because that pesky four letter word WORK got in the way. I'd had some days off due to the 4th of July holiday, but now back to work and we're in trial again... so... I'm hopeful the corrections will help, too!

As for the burgundy alpaca and pattern that crawled in my lap to comfort me when the butterflies went skittery, I could do that with my eyes closed (almost) tr, ch2, tr, ch2, tr, ch2...

Lisaizme

July 7, 2006, 12:29 AM

Noreen said it would be fine to use anything that met the gauge. I don't have my book yet, so would it be "ok" and not violating copyright to ask what gauge we are supposed to achieve here?

Hmmm Maybe that wouldn't be doable since the butterfly is so unique?

Paulette or anyone else who already has the book could you look in it and see if it has any info on gauge for this pattern that could be posted without giving away the pattern?

Thanks so much. I was wanting to go get my elann yarn/thread and see if it's usable.

I guess I'll write to lionbrand and ask them what gauge their cotton is.. hmmm I think I have about 10 or 20 skeins of some brand of thread.. baroque I think it's called.. now if I can remember WHERE it is....:rofl

someday I will post a pic of my bathtub full of yarn. My brother in law finds my bathtub to be very amusing. :D

aurora

July 7, 2006, 12:39 AM

Okay, I'm going to give it a go! One butterfly at a time :) It's just so lovely! I just need to work out what weight #10 crochet cotton is in respect to the crochet cottons at my LYS - which aren't labelled with weights. It's the whole terminology game at work again, methinks.

Thanks for your encouragement, everyone!

funkyreporter

July 7, 2006, 12:44 AM

OOH OOH OOH!!!!!! I think I GOT it!!!!!!

I tried using two strands of #10 and it's working! I got a body and a partial wing! :woo

Lisaizme

July 7, 2006, 01:49 AM

:cheer :cheer :cheer

I won the auction on ebay for this book. Someone had it listed for 99 cents plus shipping. It went a lil bit more, but I'm still getting it for under what I'd pay at the store and I DON"T HAVE TO DRIVE 50 miles to Michaels!!! :cheer :cheer And no taxes!!! Man, I love sniping.

speaking of ebay.. I saw someone was selling this knit.1 issue for 20.00 the other night. I can't find that auction tonight.. hopefully someone thought better of it.. consideirng most folks are selling it for 4 or 5 bucks.

Now I can relax.. I hate waiting for auctions to end when it's something I really want.. or at a great price.

JacquiSimmons

July 7, 2006, 05:31 AM

Where can I find the Butterfly shawl pattern please? I live in Australia and can't get the magazine here. Has the COT finished?
Jacqui

aurora

July 7, 2006, 08:53 AM

Jaqui, have a look at your local newsagents. The magazine only arrived late last week here, so they might have taken a little while to get it in. I was in Canberra last week, and I got it there, but they've only just got it in this week at home in country NSW (we often get things a bit after the cities ;) ). I also find it gets a bit lost in the magazine section, because it is a smaller size than normal magazines. It also tends to sell out pretty quickly in larger centres. I'd ask around. It's definitely imported in here - just usually a good three or four months after it was released in the USA.

I made a butterfly! I made a butterfly! I don't know if I got gauge, but I made a butterfly! :hook

Shawnee/OR

July 7, 2006, 07:09 PM

To you who've done a butterfly already, how did you do Row 6? The directions say to draw up a loop in sc but there aren't any sc in Row 5. I asked Noreen, too, but in case she's out this weekend thought I go to the soldiers.

Shawnee
http://www.shawneett.blogspot.com

funkyreporter

July 7, 2006, 11:23 PM

Noreen said it would be fine to use anything that met the gauge. I don't have my book yet, so would it be "ok" and not violating copyright to ask what gauge we are supposed to achieve here?

Paulette or anyone else who already has the book could you look in it and see if it has any info on gauge for this pattern that could be posted without giving away the pattern?

I guess I'll write to lionbrand and ask them what gauge their cotton is.. hmmm I think I have about 10 or 20 skeins of some brand of thread.. baroque I think it's called.. now if I can remember WHERE it is....:rofl

someday I will post a pic of my bathtub full of yarn. My brother in law finds my bathtub to be very amusing. :D

Here's what the pattern says regarding gauge:

"The butterfly square measures 8"/20.5cm square using size F/5(3.75mm) hook and 4 strands of yarn held together"

Isn't that sad when you know you have a BUNCH of some sort of yarn and NO idea where it is? Not talking one skein, but a bunch!!!!! I wish I had an extra tub to store the yarn in... that is a really good idea!

Back to the subject at hand, I tried holding four strands of #10 thread together and that wasn't gonna happen with an F hook, so then I tried 2 strands of #10 ('cause I liked the color and I hoped Noreen wouldn't mind) and it seems to be working... of course I've only done the body and the very beginning of a wing base... so...

sakurasaku

July 9, 2006, 09:18 PM

artemis

July 9, 2006, 09:25 PM

I'm a little scared to try this pattern. I only started crocheting last December...but I really want to make this for myself. :hook

When you really want something, you can make it happen!

funkyreporter

July 9, 2006, 09:42 PM

Wow, I didn't realize that this CAL started already, and there are already gazillion posts (okay, I exaggerate) on it. I would like to join, definitely. It's great that we already have information on the corrections, and that the designer herself is in on it! Noreen, I'm so glad you are with us.

Paulette, you said in the house-fell-on-my-foot thread that you finished the butterfly, so I suppose two strands of #10 thread worked fine after all? I have this Royal mercerized cotton that I want to try this on and wondering how many strands I should try my gauge on...

I'm a little scared to try this pattern. I only started crocheting last December...but I really want to make this for myself. :hook

Now, don't you be scared. We're all in this together and YOU CAN DO IT!!!! Just take it slow, "breathe in the butterflies, breathe out the bees," and if you get stuck, that's why it's a Crochet Along... and with Noreen here, I'm sure she'd clarify something - or one of us would! GO FOR IT!

:yarn Yup, two strands of #10 for the butterfly and one strand of #10 for the net to catch him in (the lacey mesh around it). I ended up with an 8-inch butterfly and it looks pretty good, too! And the lace was easy... so easy that I found myself halfway through round eight before I realized it only had seven rounds! Little light frogging there, no big deal.

Now in deference to Noreen, the designer, she used four strands on the butterfly and one strand on the lacey stuff to acheive the gorgeous look we're all going for, so I figure that would be equivilent to #20 thread. I tried using four strands of #10 with the F hook and that just wasn't happening for me. If she did use equal to #10 thread and got four strands in that F hook then she's GOOD!!! And obviously she IS good 'cause she makes all these great patterns and stuff:lol !

I'm thinking we really need to find out what the equivelent weight is of the Lion Crochet Cotton. I could not find it at Michael's or JoAnne's and on-line it was $5 a ball so I went for the Royale at $2.29... Also the site on-line didn't give a 'number' like other threads do:think .

I am pleased with how my first butterfly came out and also I like the look of the mesh - very lacey and dainty... only 27 more motifs to go.:yes

Lisaizme

July 9, 2006, 11:33 PM

I'm thinking we really need to find out what the equivelent weight is of the Lion Crochet Cotton. I could not find it at Michael's or JoAnne's and on-line it was $5 a ball so I went for the Royale at $2.29... Also the site on-line didn't give a 'number' like other threads do:think .

I am pleased with how my first butterfly came out and also I like the look of the mesh - very lacey and dainty... only 27 more motifs to go.:yes

I wrote to Lionbrand and they replied that the Lion Crochet Cotton IS size 10, bedspread weight.

..... sitting here with a broke toe all swollen & purply (only kicked a suitcase.. not a house) and waiting on my knit.1 from ebay to arrive.

funkyreporter

July 9, 2006, 11:57 PM

I wrote to Lionbrand and they replied that the Lion Crochet Cotton IS size 10, bedspread weight.

..... sitting here with a broke toe all swollen & purply (only kicked a suitcase.. not a house) and waiting on my knit.1 from ebay to arrive.

I cannot believe that you kick a suitcase and get swelling AND color and I drop a **** house on my foot and get teeny little mark. That is SO UNFAIR:angry .

OH, I'm sorry. I did forget to tell you I'm sorry you broke your toe. I was being selfish, I guess... you know how it goes: "Mom, Bobby broke his arm. I want a broken arm too." Did you break your toe so I would have company in my pain? If so that was really sweet of you, but you should have checked first and you'd know my foot is fine. I hope yours feels better. I found Aleve really helped a lot and the ice pack - but watch out for frost bite!

GinaLaughed

July 10, 2006, 08:26 AM

I wrote to Lionbrand and they replied that the Lion Crochet Cotton IS size 10, bedspread weight.
Now this is exactly what I had been wondering! I was just going to ask this question today...how nice that it's already answered. :)

I had noticed that at the LB site it said that LB Croceht Cotten was 'superfine'. I'm not very well versed in yarn so I was confused as to why Paulette was using #10 thread but the pattern called for 'superfine' yarn. :confusedA Thread shawl is exactly what I had been looking for so this is excellent! :c9

In light of all that, here is my favorite site that reviews crochet thread. I hope it's helpful.

http://crochet.tangleweeds.com/thread.html

..... sitting here with a broke toe all swollen & purply (only kicked a suitcase.. not a house) and waiting on my knit.1 from ebay to arrive.
Awwww.....you poor thing! I hope it heals up real quick!

I hope your mag arrives soon. I haven't gotten mine yet because we have been soooo broke lately. We get paid once a month and we have been waiting for our check but with that blastedly l-o-n-g 4th of July holiday weekend we are still waiting and I'm fit to be tied! I want my mag and I want my yarn.....yesterday! :bang (Tantrum over...sorry about that! ;) )

Now I need to go make some :coffeeand see if that helps.

Paulette.... :sofunny

funkyreporter

July 10, 2006, 11:29 AM

I still don't know how Noreen got four strands of #10 thread into an F hook:think ... It is possible, but...

Actually her butterflies look fuller (of course) than my finished butterfly...

I supposed I'll give it another try with four strands

gemini53

July 10, 2006, 03:03 PM

:cheer This is awesome All my questions about thread answered. I can't find Lion brand cotton either. I could be buried alive with all my craft stuff.:hug I am scared too!:eek

Shelleden

July 10, 2006, 03:10 PM

I'm in! I'm in! I bought some Aunt Lydia's "Denim" Quick Crochet. It's hard to work with, though, cause it keeps separating! ARGHHHH~ :thair Then I had the idea to use sport-weight yarn in colors. Here's what I've come up with so far. I need some advice. Tell me honestly, do you like the idea of colored butterflies? And what color would you use for joining them? White? Black? Or should I just stick with the beige color. (actually it's called Linen)
And a great big :welcome to you, Noreen. Thanks for joining us!! And thanks for a terrific design!
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/Shelleden/ButterflyAuntLydiadenimquickcrochet.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/Shelleden/Butterflysportweightyarn.jpg

I also made a two-toned blue butterfly, but my GD asked if she could have it, and she took it home with her before I remembered to get a picture of it. poopies. My yellow butterfly's body looks fatter than the other one! He must've been drinking too much nectar! :lol

Lisaizme

July 10, 2006, 08:43 PM

Beautiful Shelle. I was thinking about doing the butterflies in a darkish blue (medium.. eyes are getting too old to deal easily with the really dark colors) and then the netting in a paler blue.

Look at the colors of the hemp at www.elann.com to see what I'm thinking. I think the hemp is too thick for what we want though.

:think ing:::: instead of making the body with holding multiple strands.. wonder if it would work to use a heavier weight and then switch to a lighter weight for the net? As in use a size 3 thread for the body and then size 10 for the net??

Paulette: thanks for the concern about my toe. Funny thing.. although it's swollen and purple.. it doesn't hurt much.. except if I try to bend it. Flipflops only till it's better!! Strange.. yours hurts and no color. Mine has color but little pain.

pinkroses

July 10, 2006, 08:51 PM

very pretty butterfly. I have worked with that crochet thread. I did have some sperating. I just went with a little larger crohet hook.Pinkroses.

funkyreporter

July 10, 2006, 08:52 PM

Beautiful Shelle. I was thinking about doing the butterflies in a darkish (medium.. eyes are getting too old to deal easily with the really dark colors) and then the netting in a paler blue.

Look at the colors of the hemp at www.elann.com (http://www.elann.com) to see what I'm thinking. I think the hemp is too thick for what we want though.

:think ing:::: instead of making the body with holding multiple strands.. wonder if it would work to use a heavier weight and then switch to a lighter weight for the net? As in use a size 3 thread for the body and then size 10 for the net??

Paulette: thanks for the concern about my toe. Funny thing.. although it's swollen and purple.. it doesn't hurt much.. except if I try to bend it. Flipflops only till it's better!! Strange.. yours hurts and no color. Mine has color but little pain.

Isn't Shelle's butterfly pretty? Mine looks sort of emaciated since I only used two strands of #10 instead of four strands.

Interesting that you mention hemp 'cause daughter Ah Leah told me she bought me some hemp yarn in a 'natural' store in Santa Cruz where she's working this summer... said I had to promise NOT to smoke it... hardee-har.

I think you could use the heavier thread and then switch to a lighter thread for the other part... it's all about experimenting, right? That's what's so fun about these Crochet Alongs - everybody showing these great versions of a great pattern!

I really am sorry about your toe... actually my foot doesn't hurt too bad - it was hurting by the end of the work day 'cause I had a shoe on all day (my signature Mary Janes) and it was swollen and my toes were getting numb. I'm just mad that I didn't get more coloring in the bruise! As far as your broken toe I think the only thing the doctors do is tape it to the next-door toe to keep it straight until it heals up. I don't think they cast toes...

sakurasaku

July 10, 2006, 09:01 PM

I had noticed that at the LB site it said that LB Croceht Cotten was 'superfine'. I'm not very well versed in yarn so I was confused as to why Paulette was using #10 thread but the pattern called for 'superfine' yarn. :confusedA Thread shawl is exactly what I had been looking for so this is excellent! :c9

In light of all that, here is my favorite site that reviews crochet thread. I hope it's helpful.

http://crochet.tangleweeds.com/thread.html

I was going to use the Royale thread I had at hand, but after reading this review, I'm not sure if it's a good enough thread to spend a lot of effort on... What if it gets all fuzzy after the first washing? :eek Royale is not in the review, but she says Coats and Clark threads are not as good as some, except for Opera...

Well, I can at least practice making a butterfly with it and see what kind of gauge I get with size 10 thread. I can even wash the test butterfly to see how it holds up.

Shelle, your butterflies are beautiful. How can you do so many so quickly? And how many strands did you use for those? I'm a single-color person, but I like everything subtle and muted anyway. I'm sure colored butterflies can make a beautiful shawl.

Lisa, I hope your foot gets better soon...:hug

christinacoghill

July 10, 2006, 09:30 PM

I have a varigeated wool sock yarn (Socks that rock) that I am going to see how it makes into a butterfly. I just got the magazine, used a 40% off coupon at Hobby Lobby. since the only pattern that I like is this shawl it was a great deal!

Lisaizme

July 11, 2006, 12:12 AM

In light of all that, here is my favorite site that reviews crochet thread. I hope it's helpful.

http://crochet.tangleweeds.com/thread.html

I can't get that site to open. Tried for several hours now. guess I must be blocked for some reason.

Awwww.....you poor thing! I hope it heals up real quick!

I hope your mag arrives soon.
Thanks. I do too. I have a package waiting at the postoffice cuz my mail person was afraid of the dog that lies down for belly rubs when you get close. sheesh. Maybe that's my mag. :)

The one inside the fence.. now that's a different story. AND why she's inside the fence. :eek

GinaLaughed

July 11, 2006, 12:56 AM

I can't get that site to open. Tried for several hours now. guess I must be blocked for some reason.

The site could have gotten too much traffic today. Wait awhile and see if you can get in later tonight or tomorrow.

I found one of the yarns she recommends, DMC Cebelia Crochet Cotton Size 10 (http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=24998&PRODID=128308), at Hobby Lobby for $3.00/50g ball. I figured that I would need 23 balls and it would be $69. There's not enough balls of the same color to buy them all now but they have signs up everywhere that they will special order for you. I think I'm going to do that. I came home to order the yarn from JoAnn's but they sell it online for $4.39-$5.99/ball. Now I just have to decide on my color.

While on the hunt for the Regina (Egyptian Cotton) Mondial Thread, I found something called Splendid (http://www.theyarnco.com/brand_display/221). I've been :drool over their gorgeous threads. You can see the sheen on the yarn in the pics! It's a 'bargan basement' price or $14.95 per 110yd ball of thread! :faintI said I was going to pamper myself with thread on this one but somehow I don't think dh will go for that price! :lol

Thanks. I do too. I have a package waiting at the postoffice cuz my mail person was afraid of the dog that lies down for belly rubs when you get close. sheesh. Maybe that's my mag. :)

The one inside the fence.. now that's a different story. AND why she's inside the fence. :eek

I guess mail people are just overly cautions any more...probably a bit paranoid even. I hope it's your mag though. I just got mine tonight and I'm going to do a couple of practice butterfly's with some thread I have laying around the house. I've been dying to get my hands started on this...so why am I sitting here at the boards then? ;)

BTW....Hobby Lobby has some thread on sale for 99cents per 350yd ball. I figured the yardage and you would still need 14 balls and that would only cost $14 for the shawl. [edited to correct my math on this figure!]

Lisaizme

July 11, 2006, 01:12 AM

Cebelia is EXCELLENT thread. I've used it for bridal purses and love the way it works up. Once you've used Cebelia it's very hard to go back to the cheaper stuff. :(

you might look at http://www.yarn-and-threadbylisa.com/Crochet%20Cottons/crochet_cottons.htm

(no relationship.. just share the same first name). She's very fast to send and very helpful. She doesn't have Cebelia, but does have Opera. Since the Tangleweeds site still won't open for me, I don't know which is the better thread.

Edit: Tangleweeds finally opened for me.. off to read and then perhaps edit this post once again.

yarn & thread by Lisa also sells on eBay.. (can't remember ebay name, but it's something like yarnlady62..) links are somewhere on her regular site.

GinaLaughed

July 11, 2006, 03:22 AM

Decisions, decisions! :think

I think that the Opera was the #1 choice over at Tangleweeds. I'm so glad you sent me to Lisa's site! I think I'm going to go ahead and go with Opera just order my thread from her. I'll have to do that tomorrow though. I hope she has what I need.

I still can't get into the Tangleweeds site. :( Oh well....I'll try again tomorrow.)

BTW.....I'm half way finished with my first practice butterfly! She's so beautiful! I made her in several different colors since I didn't have 4 balls of the same color. :lol She's my rainbow gal! :manyheart I'll try and get a pic up when she is finished. However, I lost my battery charger to my camera :eek and I can't find it anywhere! I've looked all over the place and I'm so bummed. :sigh I've never lost so many things all at the same time before. First yarn started disappearing and now my battery charger....

'nite...it's just past midnight and I've been up since 5AM. :yawn I still want to walk on the treadmill for a bit too. I'm trying to exercise a little every day.

esta

July 11, 2006, 11:40 AM

Hello Jacqui, Hello Aurora,
I'm in Melbourne and I'm making butterflys too.
I don't usually buy this book but I was so glad I did, when I saw this CAL.
And I found some Aussies too.:cheer Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi.

kellyv

July 11, 2006, 02:52 PM

ok I bought the magazine and I think I have the perfect thread. Just have to find it and check. But first I have to finish my cathedral blanket, almost there!!! And then do a quick fat bottom bag for my friend who is really sick right now. Then I will start this. It looks like it will be quite challenging but fun.

GinaLaughed

July 11, 2006, 03:40 PM

Hi kellyv!

Is that Cathedral Window CAL? I joined that some time ago but I shelved the project until I can find the right yarn. I was pulling my hair out over what kind of yarn to use. I can't wait to see your finished product!

I look forward to this CAL too. I'm trying to order my thread right now. I'm going to go with the Coats Opera. I'm working on a practice butterfly too. I have the body and one wing done so far. Now I have to do the other wing but we will be running errands all afternoon so that will have to wait till tonight.

Glad you are joining us! :)

Carousel

July 11, 2006, 09:42 PM

Hi Everyone,
This will be my first crochet along.:yay I got my copy of the magazine yesterday after reading this thread. I then went to Spotlight and found some Aunt Lydia's Microfibre thread on special and it works up beautifully. I got several different colours and I'll use a Altin Maxi ( not sure if that's spelt right!) no.10 cotton to join them. I was thinking of making several different coloured butterflys (yellow, pink, green, lavender and blue were the colours I could get) and joining in either ecru or white. Then using only one colour for the butterflys and a verigated to join them. As you can see I have already planned to make a second shawl before even finishing the first. :devil
Off to crochet some more.
cheers
Pauline

funkyreporter

July 11, 2006, 09:56 PM

Hi Pauline! So glad you joined us in this Crochet Along.

I'm just thrilled at the response and and having Noreen (the designer) join us is so cool.

Shelle is also doing different colors, or at least has shown me a few butterflies she's done in different colors except her grandkids keep flying away with them!

It's going to be so exciting to see everyone's different interpretations of this design with different threads or yarns, colors, hook sizes! What a fun project! And the butterfly really is not that difficult to stitch up... I was really surprised!

AUSongbird

July 11, 2006, 10:46 PM

Shelleden

July 11, 2006, 11:50 PM

I hadn't crocheted in nearly 20 years until two months ago so I'm far from expert but I'm game to try this too. That shawl is so-o-o gorgeous and I'm making shawls for all the females in the family for Christmas.

Wow, lucky family!! Glad you and all the others are joining in. This ought to be great! I think I changed my mind - look what I found at the Goodwill Store for $3!! I was sooo happy! See the beautiful sheen on it?! I think it's Size 10. I suppose I'll have to roll 4 balls of it to use 4 strands at once. This would be so pretty as a butterfly shawl! :yes
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/Shelleden/lavenderthreadcone.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/Shelleden/Lavenderthread.jpg

funkyreporter

July 12, 2006, 12:15 AM

Oh, Shelle, that is SO pretty! $3????? SCORE!!!!!!!

That's going to be beautiful!

kellyv

July 12, 2006, 12:21 AM

Wow shelle, what a find!!! And Gina yes its the Cathedral window crochet along. In fact I JUST finished the afgan about 20 min ago!!! I still cant belive I did it!!! I cant wait to start this one!!! I just have to get the thread. I thought I had the perfect thread but its not enough so I have to get different thread which I will get on Monday. I am very excited about this project and I cant beileve Noreen is joining us!!! Wow!!

Lisaizme

July 12, 2006, 02:45 AM

GORGEOUS thread Shelle. :c9 is it really a lavendar color or is that my monitor?

Kelly.. I'm so impressed you finished the Cathedral window afghan. :cheerI hope you will post pictures.

Mine is still where it was last winter. It's so big that I can't work on it during hot weather (which leaves out at least 1/2 the year in TX). There's pictures of where I still am from a January 8, 2006 post on my blog. (link in my sig)

I finally got my Knit.1 in the mail today. Very cool stuff. I like the pineapple skirt in it too. I was thinking.. it says it's seamed up the back. I wonder if you didn't seam it if it would make a good shawl too?

I'm trying to get some work done on a Filet afghan CAL I'm involved with for another group so I can start my butterflies with an clear conscience (spellcheck)

Carousel: I have a bunch of microfiber too that I bought when our local Wallies decided not to carry the stuff any longer. Didn't know what I was buying it for at the time. Let me know how it works for the Butterfly.. it seems a little slippery to me for this.

Shelleden

July 12, 2006, 09:57 AM

Yes, Lisa, it's a beautiful lavender. I couldn't believe I found it! They had one other cone of thread - in coral, but it was like Size 20 - way too fine for me! I don't go any smaller than 10. :yarn I love thrift stores! You never know what you're going to find. :manyheart

AUSongbird

July 12, 2006, 02:33 PM

Never thought about checking goodwill for thread! I'll have to try that.

sakurasaku

July 12, 2006, 05:27 PM

eurolyons

July 12, 2006, 06:10 PM

funkyreporter

July 12, 2006, 09:58 PM

Hey Paulette, this is an awesome shawl pattern...I'm not sure I can get ahold of the magazine for the pattern though (it is soooo hit and miss with the PX as to whether or not one can get these kinds of magazines consistently...) But I wanted to cheer you on.

Any way I could help you to get the magazine? I didn't see where you're from and not sure what you were referring to with "PX"... it's a really easy pattern, and so pretty!

funkyreporter

July 12, 2006, 09:59 PM

I did half a butterfly and the wing is coming out too big, I think. I did try with 4 strands of Royale size 10 thread and an F hook, but the wings are overlapping each other and the body (I know that I also need to tighten the neck more, but I feel like I'm choking the poor thing!). It doesn't look as neat and clean as Noreen's butterfly, of course, but I hope as I get used to working with the thread, it gets better...

Should I change the hook size, the number of strands, or crochet more tightly in general to solve the overlapping problem? I'm finding it difficult to manage 4 strands, especially at the head, if I do it too tightly. I just can't get exactly the 4 strands to go through loops cleanly without accidentally hooking extra thread from the loops. Please take a look and give me some advice...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/mem1gui/half_butterfly.jpg

(I obviously did not weave off ends because I'm going to frog this.)

Thank you!

I had to go down to two strands of #10 - four strands just wasn't working out for me, and my butterfly neck needed more strangling, too... I've only made one (lacey mesh stuff included!) and I'm very pleased! I used one strand of #10 on the mesh part...

By the way, I LOVE the blue! Just gorgeous!

Shelleden

July 12, 2006, 10:45 PM

I did half a butterfly and the wing is coming out too big, I think. I did try with 4 strands of Royale size 10 thread and an F hook, but the wings are overlapping each other and the body (I know that I also need to tighten the neck more, but I feel like I'm choking the poor thing!). It doesn't look as neat and clean as Noreen's butterfly, of course, but I hope as I get used to working with the thread, it gets better...

Should I change the hook size, the number of strands, or crochet more tightly in general to solve the overlapping problem? I'm finding it difficult to manage 4 strands, especially at the head, if I do it too tightly. I just can't get exactly the 4 strands to go through loops cleanly without accidentally hooking extra thread from the loops. Please take a look and give me some advice...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/mem1gui/half_butterfly.jpg

(I obviously did not weave off ends because I'm going to frog this.)

Thank you!

DON'T FROG IT!!! It's perfect! I don't see anything wrong with it at all!! You might want to do like Paulette and switch to 2 strands. I think yours looks great though. The body is laying flat - mine keeps wanting to slant & curl up on the end (I hate when that happens!:blush ). Besides, if you look at the shawl in the mag, her butterflies look "full" too. I think when you get the "netting" worked, it'll make a difference. Just my :2c :D

Shelleden

July 12, 2006, 10:49 PM

Paulette, can you post a pic of yours? Or e-mail it to me & I'll post it. I want to see yours with the net & all. Please? Pretty please? :flower

Lisaizme

July 12, 2006, 11:07 PM

Any way I could help you to get the magazine? I didn't see where you're from and not sure what you were referring to with "PX"... it's a really easy pattern, and so pretty!

I'm pretty sure that PX stands for Post Exchange ..ie: Military Base.

eBay has several sellers offering this magazine for sale at a not-unreasonable price, usually between 4.95 & 5.99. Just don't go to the fellah who is selling it for 20.00!!!!!!!!

funkyreporter

July 13, 2006, 12:06 AM

Here goes... Another attempt at POSTING a picture:angry I HATE this part!!!!
If things go well, you'll be seeing my first butterfly (two different shots) with the mesh worked in but the ends not yet weaved... If things don't go well you're gonna see something resembling Mothra from the classic four-star movie Godzilla versus Mothra (one of my favorites!)

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/Paulette112264/brokencamera021.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/Paulette112264/brokencamera020.jpg

:woo WHO ROCKS???:woo

:photo Watch me BURN!!!!!! Photobucket is shaking in its boots right now... Look at those properly sized pictures! Oh, Yeah.:2rock :2rock :bounce

Anyway, on closer inspection, looks like I may have missed a stitch or 37 somewhere along the line:shrug but I LIKE it! I'm not frogging this bad puppy.... by the time it gets in there with all the other butterflies... nobody will notice!

So this is with two strands of #10 for the butterfly (which definitely needs more strangling on his neck) and one strand of #10 for the mesh... it definitely makes a difference to use the four strand as called for, but I have far too little patience for that...

eurolyons

July 13, 2006, 04:37 AM

Any way I could help you to get the magazine? I didn't see where you're from and not sure what you were referring to with "PX"... it's a really easy pattern, and so pretty!

Hey Paulette...I live in Heidelberg, Germany as my husband is a private contractor with the military (U.S.) here. Our home in the states is in Washington State on Vashon Island. The PX is the Post Exchange, which is really kind of like a mini mall or department store so to speak. The Mega Book Mark is the book store within the PX and although it carries like 30 quilting magazines, it carries far less and sometimes none of the crochet and knit mags...

If you wanna do some kind of swap...a magazine for a german magazine or yarn or whatever...I'm game!

eurolyons

July 13, 2006, 04:39 AM

Hey Paulette, if photobucket is giving you a hard time, why not try Shutterfly...that's what I tend to use when I post pics or at least links to pics here...they automatically resize the pics for sharing...(once you select the share online feature...)

eurolyons

July 13, 2006, 04:40 AM

I'm sorry, one more post...that butterfly ROCKS!

Roli

July 13, 2006, 06:37 AM

Hi Paulette. I just popped over to see how the Butterfly Shawl CAL is coming along. Your motif turned out great. It doesn't look as if you missed any stitches. Great pictures! Well, I'm off to the convention today. See ya!:)

belant

July 13, 2006, 07:54 AM

You rock, Paulette. YOU rock! That's who! That's a beautiful butterfly!

sakurasaku

July 13, 2006, 01:53 PM

Thank you for your help, P & S. :manyheart Your butterflies look really nice...and notice there is ample space between the upper and lower wings, and also between the wings and the body in yours.

Mine is all squished together and the parts are overlapping. The stitches are uneven and all that, too, but we won't talk about that. :lol

Paulette, I'll try 3 strands to see how it goes (it has GOT to be easier than 4!). If that's still not enough, I'll go down to 2 like you did.

Thanks again!

sakurasaku

July 13, 2006, 01:56 PM

look what I found at the Goodwill Store for $3!!http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/Shelleden/lavenderthreadcone.jpg

What a beautiful color and what a find for $3! I can't wait to see the finished shawl.

aurora

July 13, 2006, 08:18 PM

:woo WHO ROCKS???:woo

You ROCK! That's such a great butterfly! :clap

funkyreporter

July 13, 2006, 09:11 PM

Hey Paulette...I live in Heidelberg, Germany as my husband is a private contractor with the military (U.S.) here. Our home in the states is in Washington State on Vashon Island. The PX is the Post Exchange, which is really kind of like a mini mall or department store so to speak. The Mega Book Mark is the book store within the PX and although it carries like 30 quilting magazines, it carries far less and sometimes none of the crochet and knit mags...

If you wanna do some kind of swap...a magazine for a german magazine or yarn or whatever...I'm game!

My Darling Husband picked up another copy of knit.1 magazine today so I can send it to you. PM me your address EXACTLY how it needs to be written 'cause I'm unfamiliar with sending things to military addresses!:blush

Shelleden

July 13, 2006, 11:32 PM

Wow Paulette, those Flutterbys are beautiful! (that's how my daughter Nikki said butterflies when she was little - well, they do flutter by, don't they?) :lol I am so proud of you, my little photobucket-challenged prote'ge'!! You're posting pics like a pro now!
YEAH BABY, YOU ROCK! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_8_200v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm415DHUS)

http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp?pc=ZSzeb068&pp=ZNxdm415DHUS (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb068_ZNxdm415DHUS)

Lisaizme

July 13, 2006, 11:54 PM

Well, I was about to post that Flutterby's is their original name and someone thought they'd be cute and change the name to butterfly.. but I thought I'd better double check myself and lo and behold.. this is what I found:

Etymology

The Old English word for butterfly was buttorfleoge apparently because butterflies were thought to steal milk. A similar word occurs in Dutch originating from the same belief. This is believed to have led to the evolution of its present name form - butterfly.

An alternative folk etymology, current in Great Britain, is that it originated as a contraction of term butter-coloured fly referring to the Brimstone Butterfly Gonepteryx rhamni, often the first butterfly of Spring. Earlier, it was mistakenly considered that the word butterfly came from a metathesis of "flutterby".

Lots more interesting stuff here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/butterfly

I dug through one of my unorganized baskets..trying to find my baroque thread so I could start. Found lots of other stuff..including a ball of cotton peaches & Cream that cried out to become a new dishcloth. So, I made a dishcloth today while watching Charmed. Maybe I can find the baroque tomorrow.

funkyreporter

July 14, 2006, 12:59 AM

Lisaizme

July 14, 2006, 01:04 AM

Ah, shucks... now I'm blushing...

Hey! An Idea! a butterfly shawl in the colors blush and bruise!

Steel Magnolias... Shelby's colors were Blush & Bashful. :rofl

Sally Field: The church looks like it's been hosed down in pepto-bismal.

Shelleden

July 14, 2006, 01:18 AM

ooooh, I love that movie!! except the cemetery scene where Sally Field loses it. I bawl like a baby.
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Shelleden

July 14, 2006, 01:21 AM

Well, I was about to post that Flutterby's is their original name and someone thought they'd be cute and change the name to butterfly.. but I thought I'd better double check myself and lo and behold.. this is what I found:

Etymology

The Old English word for butterfly was buttorfleoge apparently because butterflies were thought to steal milk. A similar word occurs in Dutch originating from the same belief. This is believed to have led to the evolution of its present name form - butterfly.

An alternative folk etymology, current in Great Britain, is that it originated as a contraction of term butter-coloured fly referring to the Brimstone Butterfly Gonepteryx rhamni, often the first butterfly of Spring. Earlier, it was mistakenly considered that the word butterfly came from a metathesis of "flutterby".

Lots more interesting stuff here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/butterfly Very interesting - thanks :)

I dug through one of my unorganized baskets..trying to find my baroque thread so I could start. Found lots of other stuff..including a ball of cotton peaches & Cream that cried out to become a new dishcloth. So, I made a dishcloth today while watching Charmed. Maybe I can find the baroque tomorrow.
Well, if it's baroque, maybe you should fa-ix it before you use it. :rofl

funkyreporter

July 14, 2006, 02:40 AM

kellyv

July 14, 2006, 03:05 AM

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 14, 2006, 03:25 AM

Oops.........
I hit send before I got over the wowsa-ing!
I have been writing up a storm about the butterfly shawl on my blog:
www.hankeringforyarn.com

I have been having trouble getting back into the forum, but have happily made re-entry! Yay!

You are all doing BEEEEEEEEEEE-OOOOOOOOOtifully with your shawls!

and I lust after that luscious lavender thread! Wow!

Anyhow, go check out www.hankeringforyarn.com and hopefully, there will be some answers to some of your questions!
BIG hugs all round!
Noreen :o)

sail149

July 14, 2006, 03:29 AM

Amazing! I'm in Brisbane, in Australia, and I bought the magazine this morning at my local newsagent - I thought that I would have had to have waited for a couple of months before it appeared here. I got the last copy, and it's a bit dog-eared, but I like the shawl pattern too!
Not joining in the CAL, because I have too much on the go, but thanks for alerting me to this project - it's on my to-do list.I'll have the benefit of all your combined experience when I start - and I've already printed out the errata and stuck the page in the magazine so I don't forget!

Maureen

eurolyons

July 14, 2006, 04:51 AM

Answered your pm with my address...you and your husband hug each other for me will ya...thanks!!!!!

sail149

July 14, 2006, 04:52 AM

Oh, and PS: - having read the pattern, would it be feasible, instead of holding 4 strands of yarn for the butterflies, to use a thicker thread for those instead? Would 4 strands of crochet cotton, #10, be about equal to a 4-ply or an 8-ply cotton?
Unashamedly picking your collective brains here, but why not!

Maureen, watching on in interest, in Brisbane

eurolyons

July 14, 2006, 04:55 AM

Shelle, Shelle, Shelle, are you cracking yourself up again? Are you snorting coffee out your nose onto the keyboard? We've talked about this!

So if you're Baroque does that mean you're out of Monet???

*insert rimshot* bada bing!

Lisaizme

July 14, 2006, 08:17 AM

:rofl You ladies are just tooo funny:rofl Paulette, I love your butterflies!!! I am now in the process of trying to find thread. Any suggestions???? I am at a loss, I dont usually work in thread so when I do I use the usual. But I want to make this in really nice thread. I cant wait to get started on this!

Hi Kelly,

I agree, this shawl is too beautiful to use everyday stuff. Here's a couple of websites that might help you decide on what to use.

http://crochet.tangleweeds.com/thread.html

(tangleweeds sometimes gets hard to access.. keep trying)

http://www.hhtatting.com/category_results.cfm?Category=5

HandyHands is more geared to the tatting crowd, but they do rate the threads and sell size 10 thread.

Once you decide, a good place to buy thread (at least I've had good experience with her) is www.yarn-and-threadbylisa.com she has Opera thread which I think someone else here is considering using. (she also sells on ebay some, but mainly the discontinued things from her shop)

I've never used Opera, but I have used Cebelia for some bridal purses.. and I'll tell you it's really hard to go back to the lesser quality stuff after using Cebelia. Not only is the finished product so much less in quality.. but the "other" thread is so much rougher on your hands.

http://store.knitting-warehouse.com/crochet-thread-dmc.html
Has the cebelia and flat rate shipping.

I plan to use Baroque.. Kind of a Middle of the road thread.. because I already have alot of it.. if I can find it (does that make sense.. :yes )

Hope this helps you some in your choices.

Lisaizme

July 14, 2006, 08:37 AM

Well, if it's baroque, maybe you should fa-ix it before you use it. :rofl

Shelle, Shelle, Shelle, are you cracking yourself up again? Are you snorting coffee out your nose onto the keyboard? We've talked about this!

So if you're Baroque does that mean you're out of Monet???

Very Punny!!!!

Steel Magnolias... Shelby's colors were Blush & Bashful. :rofl

Sally Field: The church looks like it's been hosed down in pepto-bismal.

ooooh, I love that movie!! except the cemetery scene where Sally Field loses it. I bawl like a baby.

The town where SM is/was set in (and filmed in) is only about 3 hours drive from me. We've visited there a few times. I love the town, but can't pronounce it. Natchitoches, LA

Shelleden

July 14, 2006, 10:13 AM

Very Punny!!!!

The town where SM is/was set in (and filmed in) is only about 3 hours drive from me. We've visited there a few times. I love the town, but can't pronounce it. Natchitoches, LA

Sounds like Massachusettes with a bad head-cold. :sneeze

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 14, 2006, 01:15 PM

About using a thicker yarn for the butterfly and thinner yarn for the mesh:
You betcha!

Noreen www.crone-findlay.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com

sakurasaku

July 14, 2006, 04:28 PM

About using a thicker yarn for the butterfly and thinner yarn for the mesh:
You betcha!

It makes frogging a lot simpler, too!

Shelle, you were right. I should have left the half-butterfly alone. Did you ever try to frog something made of 4 strands of thread together? You know how they twist amongst themselves?

It really wasn't worth it, but I wanted the thread...:blush Now I have 4 tiny badly-wound balls of thread.

I hope I don't have to frog the three-strand version!

OnceUponAHook

July 14, 2006, 05:38 PM

From the Lion Brand site:

Lion Crochet Cotton:
Weight Category: 1 - Super fine: Sock, Fingering, Baby Yarn.

Guage:
Crochet: 28sc + 36 rows = 4" (10cm) on D-3 (3.5mm) hook.

Maybe having the weight category will help make choices. I am contemplating having this in my bag when I go to the hospital as I will have a lot of time to myself as the kids will be with their grandparents and my dh will be at work most of the time and that will give me about 2 days to myself before I come home and will still be pretty much confined to bed for about a week.

Decisions, Decisions about fibers and colors - dang - too many choices.

Lisaizme

July 14, 2006, 05:59 PM

support@lionbrand.com
to me Jul 7
Hi,

It's size 10 bedspread weight.

With Warm Regards,

Customer Support

Lion Brand Yarn Company

http://www.lionbrand.com

support@lionbrandyarn.com

---------------------------------

You wrote on 2006-07-06 20:35:20:

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What weight is Lion Crochet Cotton: Article 770? How does it compare to size 10 crochet thread? Thank you.

GinaLaughed

July 14, 2006, 07:42 PM

I must say that I am a bit confused on yarn for this project once again. I remember reading this at the LB site:

From the Lion Brand site:

Lion Crochet Cotton:
Weight Category: 1 - Super fine: Sock, Fingering, Baby Yarn.

Guage:
Crochet: 28sc + 36 rows = 4" (10cm) on D-3 (3.5mm) hook.
Yet LB wrote Lisa back that it is #10 bedspread weight thread. :think

Then I read this entry (http://www.hankeringforyarn.com/tips-on-figuring-out-how-to-substitute-one-yarn-or-thread-for-another/) on Noreen's blog and it doesn't look like #10 thread comes anywhere near close to the same size as LB Crochet Cotton. I even tried wrapping #3 cotton thread and it was too small too.

I have some lovely cotton yarn I bought to make a prayer shawl for my dh. It's called Cotton Fleece. Even though it states the category weight as 3 (sport weight) I wrapped it on a ruler and it was 17 wraps per inch. (The Lion Brand Crochet Cotton is 15 wraps per inch.) This yarn is a lot thicker than #10 thread yet it comes closer to the LB Crochet Cotton. I can't work up a swatch because I don't have the right hook. :(

Does any of this make sense? Any thoughts?

GinaLaughed

July 14, 2006, 07:58 PM

Ok...I think I read the blog wrong. :blush

Someone please tell me if I have it right now...

I think the #10 thread is the Lion Crochet Cotton and the Lion Cotton is regular kitchen cotton?

Sorry....I'm just trying to figure this out. I don't know why this doesn't make sense to me.

I still want to know if Superfine and #10 thread are considered to be the same.

I'm feeling stressed because I already ordered my thread and I want to make sure I got the right thing because the Opera thread is gonna cost me even if it is on sale!

GinaLaughed

July 14, 2006, 08:08 PM

I still have only a half a bfly! :blush I just discovered that my camera battery charger is missing so I don't know when I'll be able to get a pic up. :no I don't know what I'm gonna do...I can't find a replacement one. :( I've been losing a lot of things lately....some have turned up. I hope the charger turns up soon!

Shelle & Paulette....Your butterfly's came out so good!

Shelle: I just love the purple thread you found Shelle! What a steal!

sakurasaku: I have a half finished bfly too. I'm having trouble with hooking extra thread here and there. At one point it is very obvious in my bfly. I guess we are just going to have to practice till we get it. I think yours looks really good! I love the color!

Noreen: Thanks so much for your help on substituting yarn. I'm sure I'll get it sooner or later! :yes

sakurasaku

July 14, 2006, 08:35 PM

Gina, it sounds like you have figured things out on your own and are well on you way. :cheer I think Opera will come out beautifully. I remember looking for that thread because I want to make that French Bistro top from the last issue of Interweave Crochet. It's supposed to be a very nice thread.

I decided to go down in the number of strands to make things a bit cleaner and easier. I probably could have stuck with 4 strands (and considering how hard it is to frog it, maybe I should have), but I'll try 3 and maybe even down to 2 like Paulette did. I'll work on it tonight.

sakurasaku

July 14, 2006, 08:44 PM

Oh, and Gina, I LOVE NM. I've only been there a couple of times, but they are not kidding when they call it the land of enchantment. I'm so envious.

funkyreporter

July 14, 2006, 09:37 PM

Hey Paulette...I live in Heidelberg, Germany as my husband is a private contractor with the military (U.S.) here. Our home in the states is in Washington State on Vashon Island. The PX is the Post Exchange, which is really kind of like a mini mall or department store so to speak. The Mega Book Mark is the book store within the PX and although it carries like 30 quilting magazines, it carries far less and sometimes none of the crochet and knit mags...

If you wanna do some kind of swap...a magazine for a german magazine or yarn or whatever...I'm game!

Your magazine left the Redondo Beach, California, post office today (Friday, July 14) around noon so start thinking about thread! Let us know when it arrives and also if you need help getting some thread or hooks!

There's so much information posted now about the different thread weights and pretty colors people are using (I think everyone is very envious of Shelle's pretty lavendar!) and it's so wonderful having Noreen to 'nudge' us along!:manyheart

sail149

July 14, 2006, 11:51 PM

For someone who is absolutely NOT beginning this project straightaway, within the last two days I have bought the magazine and chosen my thread - I'm going to do it in Madame Tricote Maxi, in hot pink:

http://www.crochetaustralia.com.au/prod1031.htm

I think it will look stunning.
I'm vertically challenged, though, so my shawl will be shorter. Won't look very glamorous if it's trailing behind me on the floor!

Too much to do, too little time - isn't it great?

Maureen

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 15, 2006, 12:09 AM

Wailie WAILIE WAILIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh, my word! I am just appalled! I can't believe how many typos I entered when I transcribed my written
notes (for the triangle butterfly) to typed! It's humiliating! The triangle is a complete bolox. I will check the errata at the website and see if it
matches my hand written instructions. They work perfectly, but I can't understand how I screwed up the inputting so badly.
sheesh. Makes me want to run and hide! eep.
Will deal with that ASAP!!!!!!!! As I was working on it today, I thought-
Good heavens! WHERE did I put my brain when I did this? I am OBSESSIVE about checking and re-checking and re-checking instructions, and I remember going over and over and over them, so how the heck I managed to allow all the typos to go through is beyond me.
I feel like a total prat.
oh well.
hugs all around, all the same.......
Noreen

sail149

July 15, 2006, 01:52 AM

Oh good - then it will be all sorted for me, by the time I start mine! It's so good, Noreen, that you are here with us - makes me feel very confident!

Maureen

funkyreporter

July 15, 2006, 02:08 AM

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 15, 2006, 04:06 AM

Yeppers, I am working feverishly on the fix now and sending a heartfelt apology to my editor (along with the complete corrections).
I was so totally exhausted by the time I finished the shawl that I was obviously several muffins short of a panload! It was a really short deadline, so I was burning the candles at both ends and in the middle, too....
I'll see if I can get permission to print the updated correction on my blog.....

Shelleden

July 15, 2006, 03:06 PM

That's nice of you to admit it was your mistake. You coulda just blamed it on the publisher, and we wouldn't have known! :shrug That speaks well of you! I knew I liked you right away!! :hug

Shelleden

July 15, 2006, 03:19 PM

[quote=Noreen Crone-Findlay]Wailie WAILIE WAILIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh, my word! I am just appalled! I can't believe how many typos I entered when I transcribed my written
notes (for the triangle butterfly) to typed! It's humiliating! The triangle is a complete bolox. I will check the errata at the website and see if it
matches my hand written instructions. They work perfectly, but I can't understand how I screwed up the inputting so badly.
sheesh. Makes me want to run and hide! eep.
Will deal with that ASAP!!!!!!!! As I was working on it today, I thought-
Good heavens! WHERE did I put my brain when I did this? I am OBSESSIVE about checking and re-checking and re-checking instructions, and I remember going over and over and over them, so how the heck I managed to allow all the typos to go through is beyond me.
I feel like a total prat.
oh well.

Don't be so hard on yourself!! We 'ville members forgive you!!! But I know how you feel. I check, re-check, & re-check my written directions, too, cause I'm so afraid I'll leave out a "ch 1" or a "sk 1 dc". The only way I can be positively sure it's right is to sit down and actually make another one following my instructions as though I'm making it for the first time. You wouldn't believe how many times I've carefully proof-read a pattern and thought it was perfect - only to make another one, and inevitably find a blurb or two! It's called being human. :hook But I'll tell you what really gets my goat is when a publisher changes the way I wrote it, AND makes a blatant mistake!! Grrrr.... that's MY name on there, and I don't want people to think I don't know how to write patterns! My saddest experience was in the book "Poncho Panache" - my Tahitian Dreams pattern. They changed several things (they have a right to do so - it's in the contract I signed) and they made a boo-boo. They put dc and there's NO dc in the whole thing. It's all tr. I was so disappointed. So, there's something to be said for "Self-Publishing"! I'm going to try that for a while. My friend Carolyn Christmas self-publishes a lot of her designs, and she has so graciously offered lots of advice to me. She's a very talented designer (Gourmet Crochet). I LOVE her stuff! My best friend Paulette is making her Lisette right now - it's going to be gorgeous. Boy can I ramble or what?!:eek

funkyreporter

July 15, 2006, 03:57 PM

Ah, Shelle.... Noreen.... I sure feel the love here!

Noreen, it must be so frustrating when the pressure is coming down and you're trying to get it into the publisher, only to find out that something's gone amiss! I think we're all gonna be making the BIG butterflies for a while,:blush so don't you worry yourself about it... we all know now to wait for the addenda and we'll just put it in our little knit.1 mags and no harm, no foul!

Shelle, thanks for your kind words on the Lisette shawl! It really is such an easy pattern - I'm almost to the beloved Pineapples! The color is great - gotta love those alpacas, been thinking about getting one of my own... just go out there and shave him when I need some yarn! or not.

I'm on vacation now AND WORKING! I'm working in my bloomers and tank top in my crochet chair, but I'm WORKING!!!! WAAHHHHHHH. I'll finish this transcript today (I went into detail about this with Shelle in an e-mail) but I have to get this blasted 300 pager done by Monday (it will be done today) and then I can get back to the important stuff... like making another butterfly... and 'shopping' through my stash for yarns that will fit the color 'bruise' which will be my second butterfly shawl! I am so excited! Does that make me weird that I think bruise colors are pretty? Yeah, I guess it does...

GinaLaughed

July 15, 2006, 03:58 PM

GinaLaughed

July 15, 2006, 04:06 PM

Oh, and Gina, I LOVE NM. I've only been there a couple of times, but they are not kidding when they call it the land of enchantment. I'm so envious.
I so :manyheart Northern NM! I've lived in Santa Fe before and it's my most favorite place to live! Right now I'm (unfortunately) in Southern NM. It's not so enchanting. :no Maybe growing up an hour away from here has something to do with it. Nah.....the enchantment is definitely up North. :D

When dh graduates we are trying to figure out where we want to live. I'm hoping to go back up North but we are actually considering TN. :ohdear

funkyreporter

July 15, 2006, 05:09 PM

I feel like such a yarn dummy here. :blush One thing I did discover though, the lady at the LYS didn't know much about yarn either and she sells the yummiest of yarns! :lol

I've been learning a lot about yarn and thread for this CAL. Yesterday, I found some yarn in the thread section at Hobby Lobby that was labeled category weight 2. It looked like #3 thread size to me so I can see how super fine can be thread.

I orderd the Opera in Tea Rose from the site Lisa referred me to (thanks Lisa!). It's $2.89/ball (HL was $2.99/ball) but it was on sale 20% off. Great price! It's on backorder though. :sigh

I was thinking of changing my order and making this shawl in black. Do you think it will look ok in black? I think it might be hard to work with but I can't picture it in black. I'm thinking black because I bought 2 new outfits. One is for when my dh graduates in Dec. with his MSW. It's a very pretty med. blue. The other is a green outfit for Christmas. I thought a black shawl would work well with both of these outfits. I'm also hoping it would be the envy of all! ;)

While I'm waiting for my thread, I am practicing with some thread I have on hand. My first bfly isn't so great. Actually, it's not bad but I'm having trouble figuring out which row to attach the wings to. One wing is higher than the other. I thought I was on the right/same row as the other side but I obviously wasn't. I'm trying not to get discouraged. This is definitely a challenging piece for me. One that will be well worth it when it's done.

Good for you for continuing to try! It gets better! On Noreen's link she has a butterfly she did in black and it is beautiful - so take a look and see what you think! Personally I think it sounds gorgeous for your two upcoming events, and you will definitely be the belle of the ball!

I am going to check out the yarn site you mention to see what they have for my shawl I'm doing in the color bruise... that will be after I finish the one I'm doing in the color blah.

Also on Noreen's link she shows how she wraps the yarn around a rule and gets a count on wraps per inch... I didn't read it really close, but it definitely helps in figuring the yarn weight... I too am 'yarn challenged' when it comes to fingering weight, and lightweight and such:think

Tea Rose sure sounds pretty, though....

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 16, 2006, 01:44 AM

Ah, thanks so much,everyone! I really appreciate your kindness!

The last couple of years have been really REALLY intense, with meeting a ton of deadlines for magazines and books and dealing with a lot of difficult stuff (my DH's Mum has dementia, and we're her 'parents' *G*) and my sister-in-law has lung cancer and is getting heavy duty palliative chemo and radiation......... and my Dad died at Christmas and so did a dear friend....... you know how it goes sometimes! So, I'm not surprised that I made the errors - just freaked that I did! LOL!

I have got the instructions corrected now, and have sent them off to my editor, and am cringing at the blast that may well be headed my way on Monday morning.

I've asked if it's okay if I publish the correction to my blog. If not, then, I'll point everybody at the url for the correction.

By the way, I posted a really sweet little crocheted heart on my sacred dollmaking blog:
www.sacreddollsandbears.com

Back to spinning! Boy, this shawl is taking a lotta spin spin spin!
hugs all round
Noreen :o)

Shelleden

July 16, 2006, 10:40 AM

Oh wow, I have that Creative Crocheted Dolls book!! I LOVE that book. Haven't made any yet, but I want to do so as soon as I get control of this chaos called my life. :lol You can count me in as one who does like dolls. I can't understand why anyone would dislike them. :think Thanks for that link to your blog. I'll read it some more after while. Gotta go make coffee.... I know.... I'm lazy today. It's 9:30 and I haven't even had my first cuppa yet. (you know what a cuppa is? a cuppa tea, a cuppa coffee....) Hey, it's Sunday - "my day off" - you know what that means - I get to make/start/work-on ANYTHING I want all day - with no guilt. No "Well, I need to finish this first." or "I'll just throw in a load of clothes & run the sweeper real quick." NOPE - it's "MY DAY OFF"!!! Ahhhhh, isn't it lovely?! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/28/28_1_14.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm415DHUS) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_20_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm415DHUS)

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funkyreporter

July 16, 2006, 05:36 PM

OH, I was so MAD yesterday 'cause I had to work (at home) all day long on this stupid blasted thing for work that's due Monday and I was told about Thursday (and I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ON VACATION, PEOPLE!!!!) Anyway, I didn't get to crochet at all yesterday and I finally finished the thing about an hour ago so hubby can run it into my work tomorrow since I'M ON VACATION.

It's so hot today... I'm trying to get out of my cranky mood and go make a butterfly but I'm just sitting here being hot! I know, you're wondering, How Hot Is It??? Well, folks, it is 82 degrees today!!!!! :eek I'm melting!

I was thinking of going to Michael's because it will be air conditioned inside and I can buy more thread:yarn but the thought of getting in the truck and driving for ten minutes is more than I can bear right now...:no

eurolyons

July 16, 2006, 06:01 PM

GinaLaughed

July 16, 2006, 06:22 PM

:neenerI did it! I did it! I made a square!!! :loco I think it's a tad smaller than 8 in. but I did it! I'm gonna practice again and go up a hook size or two for the netting. I crochet pretty tight so that might help.

I still can't find the battery charger to my camera (it's gonna really cost to replace it) :thair so I'm working on another way to share.

Paulette... I totally hear you on how hot it is! I used to live in So. Cal. and it's usually not so bad. Because of that, the place we lived at did not have AC so when it got hot you just melted!

If it makes you feel any better, I am totally melting here too. :sweatWe are in the 100's and it's been raining. Our swamp coolers :fan do not work well when it rains so it's hot and muggy! We have all been grumpy about this for over a week now...it's miserable. My family (including dh) and I ended up having shopping marathons last week because stores around here have refrigerated air and not swamp coolers. It was a nice break for us but we came home exhausted.

BTW...I just read about the house falling on your foot in another thread. I laughed about it in an earlier post because I did not realize you had actually dropped a real house on your foot! :eek I thought it was like a dollhouse or something. Oh my! I was laughing at the Murphy aspect of it all. Lisa stubbs toe and it's broken but you drop house on foot and you have a tiny mark. I still can't get over that it was a real house! :oops

funkyreporter

July 16, 2006, 06:24 PM

You have my sympathies about the weather Paulette...we've been melting over here (although today we've had a bit of a break with the humidity...but by dinner time I was sweating...) It's tough to crochet (for me anyway) when I'm hot and miserable...

It's only around 2:30 in the afternoon here (you mentioned dinner time in your post) and I know there's a lot of places that are a lot hotter than 82.... but I'm really spoiled with the So Cal weather... My 14-yr-old son just got out of the shower after mowing the lawn and he's standing naked in front of a fan... :eek we're a pretty laid back family...

smithdls

July 16, 2006, 10:36 PM

I would love to join the CAL for the butterfly shawl.

What do I do.:cheer

funkyreporter

July 16, 2006, 10:55 PM

I would love to join the CAL for the butterfly shawl.

What do I do.:cheer

get the pattern - the information is in the very first posting - it's in a magazine called knit.1 available either at your local book store, yarn store, craft store, or online. If you want to choose your thread while you're waiting for your magazine then read through the thread and see what some of the crocheters are using and figure out how you want yours to look! The designer has joined us on this CAL and is putting out an addenda for the small butterfly motif as there was a printing error in the magazine, but the big butterflies are good to go!

You need a size F hook and a size B hook and #10 thread is what is recommended by Noreen...

Then start crocheting, and if you get into trouble yell for help on this thread and we'll get through it!

Glad to have you along!:hug

eurolyons

July 17, 2006, 07:29 AM

It's only around 2:30 in the afternoon here (you mentioned dinner time in your post) and I know there's a lot of places that are a lot hotter than 82.... but I'm really spoiled with the So Cal weather... My 14-yr-old son just got out of the shower after mowing the lawn and he's standing naked in front of a fan... :eek we're a pretty laid back family...

I make my husband giggle when I get so hot I'm standing in front of either the rolling a/c or the fan and pull my top up...

Oh yeah, I know about other places being hotter...DH reads the temps and I'm like...dying here...Northern California in the Central Valley is about as bad as Arizona...a total blast furnace. Still...

Me, I'm walking around saying, 'Okay, I officially hate summer...'

sail149

July 17, 2006, 10:06 AM

funkyreporter

July 17, 2006, 11:32 AM

It's c-oo-old here, in "sub-tropical" Brisbane, Queensland! I miss the heat, but reading about your northern summer makes me think that perhaps I should enjoy the respite while I can, because we will no doubt have a very hot season in our turn.That is my time of year to huddle in the airconditioning and knit, crochet and tat. :)
Did a bit more research into my choice of thread. I'm still going to use the Madame Tricote in hot pink, but have gone off the idea of combining weights of cottons, because it was too hard to match the colours. Instead, I'm going to invest in a handy gadget which will wind the thread into smaller balls for me, so I won't have to cope with four rather large and cumbersome balls of thread for the butterflies.

May I ask a question of the designer? I mentioned that I need my shawl to be a bit shorter, because I am short - I was going to achieve this by making less motifs, but it occurred to me that perhaps if I were to use a fiiner thread - size 20? - and stick to the original instructions, that that would have the same end-result? Or would the shawl lose it's impact, butterfly-wise, if I did this?

I appreciate any advice you can give me .

Maureen

You're reminding me of another post recently where one of our members was surprised to learn it was winter in the Southern Hemisphere and then went onto ask if it was winter there then what month is it... if it was still July! That cracked me up, but I guess that's how strongly we in the States associate June through September with summer, kids out of school... As far as being cold I say start crocheting FAST on an afghan! And a Martha poncho (Coming Home I think one was called - free internet pattern) those are great! So warm - especially when made with two strands of Homespun held together!

AS far as making the shawl smaller, Shortie, I'm no designer but your logic works for me - IF you go down a hook size or two. If you stay with the same hook size I think you're just going to end up with emaciated butterflies the same size - but if you downsize everything - thread weight and hook size - and also Noreen does mention shortening the fringe to use less thread (not sure if that was in the magazine, on her blog, or in this thread) Can't wait to see your hot pink butteflies!!!!

sakurasaku

July 17, 2006, 01:10 PM

Okay, I would like to join the ranks of people who have finished a square! Well, it's just a practice square, really...but I see that it gets better every time I do a wing.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/mem1gui/sample_motif3.jpg (http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/mem1gui/IMG_5965.jpg)
(Image is clickable)

Actually, my square came out smaller than 8 inches, too. It's 7 1/4 to 7 1/2 or something around that... I, like some other people, am also vertically challenged, so I am actually happy that it will come out just a bit smaller. I think I'll stick with this hook size and it will come out just right for me.

I so :manyheart Northern NM! I've lived in Santa Fe before and it's my most favorite place to live! Right now I'm (unfortunately) in Southern NM. It's not so enchanting. :no Maybe growing up an hour away from here has something to do with it. Nah.....the enchantment is definitely up North. :D

When dh graduates we are trying to figure out where we want to live. I'm hoping to go back up North but we are actually considering TN. :ohdear

Gina, Taos is my favorite, but I would love to see the southern part of NM as well.

Can you please post the link to the site through which you purchaced the Opera thread? I am considering using it as well, especially I'm going to spend so much darn time and effort on this project.

Stay cool everyone (except for those in the Southern hemisphere...stay warm in that case) ! It's really hot and humid up here in NY as well.

funkyreporter

July 17, 2006, 01:27 PM

SAKURSAKU, that is gorgeous! You did a wonderful job on that... please tell me that's not a 'practice' - that one deserve to be in the finished shawl! It's perfect!!!!! Love the color, too!

What thread are you using and how many strands? Your butterfly looks so full and even!:cheer

funkyreporter

July 17, 2006, 01:39 PM

Finished another half butterfly last night... experimenting with the colors for the 'bruise' shawl (you know, to match the bruise I DIDN'T get dropping the house on my foot!)

I had gone out yesterday and bought all this thread in different shades of what I thought matched a bruise, but I think I may go with just this one variagated thread... I really love the way the colors came out. It is Royale Gemini Double Strand Crochet Thread, Size #3... on closer inspection it looks like two strands of #10 loosely wound together, but that's what I'm using on my 'blah' colored shawl, two strands of #10, 'cause I can't get it to work with four strands... no patience:blush .

So here's the pics:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/Paulette112264/bruisebutt002.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/Paulette112264/bruisebutt001.jpg

My butterfly is definitely improving! I do need to work on better neck strangling, though... I thought I strangled him pretty good, but by the time I finished the one side his head was flopping. Oh well. Once the lacey mesh goes around he'll be holding his head up high!

So whatcha think? Is this representative of a bruise and should I take the purple, navy, dark green and burgundy thread back and trade it for more of this Frosty Green/Oasis?

sakurasaku

July 17, 2006, 06:41 PM

My butterfly is definitely improving! I do need to work on better neck strangling, though... I thought I strangled him pretty good, but by the time I finished the one side his head was flopping

That's exactly what I'm finding. The butterfly gets better every time, but my neck is loose by the time I'm done with a butterfly. I'm looking at it thinking "What happened? I thought I really choked you up good." Mine gets loose and it looks a bit like it has a noose around its neck. :lol

Paulette, I really like the "bruise" colors and how they show in the butterfly. Your half-butterfly is quite lovely. And thanks for your kind words. I know there is plenty of room for improvement, but it IS getting better.

I used three strands of Royale size 10 thread, with an F hook for the butterfly and a 2.3 mm hook I got from my mother in Japan many years ago for the mesh. I think I may need to go a size down in the smaller hook, though.

Lisaizme

July 18, 2006, 01:40 AM

Can you please post the link to the site through which you purchaced the Opera thread? I am considering using it as well, especially I'm going to spend so much darn time and effort on this project.

Stay cool everyone (except for those in the Southern hemisphere...stay warm in that case) ! It's really hot and humid up here in NY as well.

Opera thread is at www.yarn-and-threadbylisa.com (no association, we just share the same first name) She did have a 20% off sale.

I think HandyHands (a tatting resource site) also has Opera, but I don't know the URL to it.

....still going for the baroque.... if i ever find it.

AUSongbird

July 18, 2006, 01:51 AM

Your family sounds like mine....clothing optional in the summertime. My 11-year-old doesn't seem to grasp the concept of changing into a swimsuit indoors. Of course, the only pool he swims in belongs to his Nana and has a 6' privacy fence, but I suspect if we took him elsewhere he'd strip at pool side the same way he does at the Nana's. :no

Weatherwise 100 degrees around here on a regular basis in the summer and if we're lucky the humidity doesn't go above 75% but we're not that lucky most summers. This year, it's really dry here in Alabama. We've not had any real rain for 7 weeks until tonight. When it mercifully rained about 3/4 of an inch, cooled off about 10 degrees, down to the high 80s. Heat index today was 106, real temp high was 100.

Best of all, :clap :cheer my new air conditioner got installed! Two days with no AC in 100 degree heat is a nasty thing.

Plus I went to the nearest "city" which is 45 miles away and found out that Hobby Lobby and AC Moore are on the same block. Wow does ACM have lots of gorgeous yarns. On top of that I walked into the middle of their crochet and knitting class, which is apparently a weekly event. Even though it will take me an hour, I think I'm going to join the knitting class and learn something new. Never have been able to do that two needle business. :blush

Betty

It's only around 2:30 in the afternoon here (you mentioned dinner time in your post) and I know there's a lot of places that are a lot hotter than 82.... but I'm really spoiled with the So Cal weather... My 14-yr-old son just got out of the shower after mowing the lawn and he's standing naked in front of a fan... :eek we're a pretty laid back family...

eurolyons

July 19, 2006, 07:58 PM

Okay, just wanted to report that I received the magazine yesterday (that was so fast Paulette...) and tonight I did a rough draft with fingering yarn (just one strand on the F hook) just to see if I could get the concept before breaking out the crochet cotton...looks good...have to remember to print out the corrections for the triangles though...I'm not gonna rush this though...I'm gonna try to just complete a square a day...

sakurasaku

July 20, 2006, 12:19 PM

Thanks for the link, Lisa! Those are pretty good prices.

I don't have the magazine with me here at work...how many skeins do we need for the shawl? I don't mind having to re-roll to get multiple strands, so although I'm using 3 strands, it won't have to be a multiple of 3...

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 20, 2006, 04:53 PM

:) Oh!:cheer:clap
I have just figured out how to reply to individual messages! Duh!
LOL!
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, Maureen! I have been overwhelmed by the response to my Peace Dolls Project on http://www.sacreddollsandbears.com
so I haven't had a chance to get back here....

Now.... about making the shawl smaller.....
several ways of doing that (I am tree sized! LOL! That's what my short friend says: My husband and our son are 6'2" and 6'4" and our daughter and I both are close to 6' if not more, when we wear our shoes of choice: clogs! LOL!, so when my tiny friend walks in, she says she feels dwarfed by us! Too funny....) BUT! you can see how big the shawl is by looking at the pic of my holding it up (see www.hankeringforyarn.com)

This is what the fashion director stated she wanted. When I make the fringe for my daughter's wedding shawl, I will be making it a whole heck of a lot shorter than 18 inches, which is what I was told to do.

That's one way of shortening it up.

And, yes, making the motifs smaller is also a good way of making the shawl smaller.

If you are proportionally smaller, you could also get away with making fewer motifs..... look at the schematic in the pattern and you'll see that you could nip off a row of 'em.....

But, if you are built like my short friend, who calls us giants, (she's a Venus of Willendorf, which I think is gorgeious, but she thinks isn't), then you may want to keep the number of motifs to get the wrap factor.

You could also substitute a triangle motif for the square motif at the point.
Lots of ways of getting where you need to go.

I hope that this helps!
hugs
Noreen

It's c-oo-old here, in "sub-tropical" Brisbane, Queensland! I miss the heat, but reading about your northern summer makes me think that perhaps I should enjoy the respite while I can, because we will no doubt have a very hot season in our turn.That is my time of year to huddle in the airconditioning and knit, crochet and tat. :)
Did a bit more research into my choice of thread. I'm still going to use the Madame Tricote in hot pink, but have gone off the idea of combining weights of cottons, because it was too hard to match the colours. Instead, I'm going to invest in a handy gadget which will wind the thread into smaller balls for me, so I won't have to cope with four rather large and cumbersome balls of thread for the butterflies.

May I ask a question of the designer? I mentioned that I need my shawl to be a bit shorter, because I am short - I was going to achieve this by making less motifs, but it occurred to me that perhaps if I were to use a fiiner thread - size 20? - and stick to the original instructions, that that would have the same end-result? Or would the shawl lose it's impact, butterfly-wise, if I did this?

I appreciate any advice you can give me .

Maureen

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 20, 2006, 05:41 PM

I am so pleased that you like Creative Crocheted Dolls! And, I hope that you'll feel inspired to join in on the Peace Dolls Project! You are soooooooo welcome to join!
It's at www.sacreddollsandbears.com
big hugs
Noreen (who is drinking a cuppa tea right now:yes)

Oh wow, I have that Creative Crocheted Dolls book!! I LOVE that book. Haven't made any yet, but I want to do so as soon as I get control of this chaos called my life. :lol You can count me in as one who does like dolls. I can't understand why anyone would dislike them. :think Thanks for that link to your blog. I'll read it some more after while. Gotta go make coffee.... I know.... I'm lazy today. It's 9:30 and I haven't even had my first cuppa yet. (you know what a cuppa is? a cuppa tea, a cuppa coffee....) Hey, it's Sunday - "my day off" - you know what that means - I get to make/start/work-on ANYTHING I want all day - with no guilt. No "Well, I need to finish this first." or "I'll just throw in a load of clothes & run the sweeper real quick." NOPE - it's "MY DAY OFF"!!! Ahhhhh, isn't it lovely?! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/28/28_1_14.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm415DHUS) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_20_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm415DHUS)

http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp?pc=ZSzeb068&pp=ZNxdm415DHUS

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 20, 2006, 05:44 PM

Sakurasaku, your butterfly is gorgeous! Well done!
yay!
hugs, Noreen
:cheer:D

Okay, I would like to join the ranks of people who have finished a square! Well, it's just a practice square, really...but I see that it gets better every time I do a wing.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/mem1gui/sample_motif3.jpg (http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/mem1gui/IMG_5965.jpg)
(Image is clickable)

Actually, my square came out smaller than 8 inches, too. It's 7 1/4 to 7 1/2 or something around that... I, like some other people, am also vertically challenged, so I am actually happy that it will come out just a bit smaller. I think I'll stick with this hook size and it will come out just right for me.

rdani'

July 20, 2006, 06:11 PM

Oh, how I loved this shawl!! I have been looking at it for so long and envision the butterflies in various pastel colors...........

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 20, 2006, 06:15 PM

Thank you so much, Rdani!
and YES! colors will be fabulous! one of the CAL members has done several of the butterflies in colors and they are glorious!

By the way, the butterflies that I based the designs on, are REAL butterflies...
The butterfly in the square is the Monarch and the Butterfly in the triangle is the Postman butterfly.
:o)
hugs
Noreen:yarn:)
Oh, how I loved this shawl!! I have been looking at it for so long and envision the butterflies in various pastel colors...........

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 20, 2006, 09:27 PM

Alrighty!:yay :juggle :juggle
I have permission to upload the corrections to the Triangular Butterfly in the butterfly shawl from the summer 2006 issue of Knit.1.
I have posted them to my blog: www.hankeringforyarn.com
hugs all round,
Noreen
And a question for you!
How do you put pictures up with your sig?

funkyreporter

July 21, 2006, 12:36 AM

I'm baaaaaaaaaaaacccckkk..

Been on a vacation to see Ah Leah (we put 850+- miles on the rent-a-car) I made four more bruise colored butterflies while driving (actually while being driven - hubby drove, which is fine with me).

Ah Leah, my beautiful 19-yr-old whom I went to see (Mohawk and all) gave me the ultimate compliment. First she commented on 'that butterfly thing' she saw on my Crochetville post and I said, "Yeah, What about it?" She said the colors really looked like a bruise - I thanked her. Told her I had it with me; she says, "Oh, let me see." So I toss her two bruised butterflies and one 'blah' colored and *here comes the compliment* She says, "This is (expletive deleted) ****ing aweseme!" So I guess she really LIKED it!! Then she asked me to MAKE HER A SMALL COVER TO PUT OVER HER BED!!!! She actually asked me to make her something! She HATES everything I make, but she wants me to put the butterfly squares together as a bed cover!

Thank you, Noreen, for the new and improved small butterfly correction sheet - very nice of your publisher to allow us 'easy access' to it!

More later... I was gone for three days and have 71 e-mails and 17 PAGES of Crochetville to catch up on!!! YIKES!

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 21, 2006, 02:34 AM

Grinning from ear to ear! this is wonderful, Paulette!
I'm delighted :-)
hugs
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 21, 2006, 02:35 AM

Why does it say 'junior villager' under my name?
How very odd!
LOL!
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com

Lisaizme

July 21, 2006, 02:44 AM

Why does it say 'junior villager' under my name?
How very odd!
LOL!
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com

Hi Noreen,

The "junior villager" has to do with the number of posts you have made.

Levels:
New Neighbor 0-15 posts
Junior Villager 16-39 posts
Villager 40+ posts

read more at this post: http://www.crochetville.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10060

As to your other question about how to post a pic with your sig.. I not sure if that is possible. HOWEVER, you can have an Avatar next to your name.

There's lots of info here, both about pictures and about avatars.

http://www.crochetville.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=8

Hope this helps. :)

funkyreporter

July 21, 2006, 03:25 AM

Why does it say 'junior villager' under my name?
How very odd!
LOL!
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com (http://www.crone-findlay.com)
www.hankeringforyarn.com (http://www.hankeringforyarn.com)
www.sacreddollsandbears.com (http://www.sacreddollsandbears.com)

How very humbling that must be... you design this gorgeous shawl, it's published in a major magazine, a whole group of crocheters (including other published designers) are devoted to making this beautiful piece of art... and you're JUNIOR VILLAGER!!!!! Oh, well, gotta start someplace:manyheart

Wanted you to know how much I enjoyed making butterflies while my husband was driving on our vacation. I will always associate this lovely shawl with the wonderful visit my family had with my daughter and also the peacefulness and absolute serenity of those beautiful redwoods and the creek running nearby...

Thank you, Noreen:hug

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 21, 2006, 03:33 AM

LOL! thank you both for explaining this to me!
and Paulette, I am so happy that the butterflies became a part of your journey!

I feel so blessed.
hugs!
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com

WendyLee

July 21, 2006, 10:38 AM

Noreen, I have to comment. I have been watching you all work on this CAL with a bit of envy.:drool I can't join until I get a few projects finished.

Anyway the reason for the comment is I was just going through some of Noreen's blog and ran into the story about the cat and the beads.:rofl :laughroll

I am at work and when I read Kamikazy Kat I lost it. I have cats and could visualize that experience perfectly :eek :lookout

And the picture of the cat that could care less, perfect:cat

I am so busted for not working because my boss just had to know what was so darn funny! It's ok, it's Friday and I finished the project early:woo

oklababydoll4u

July 21, 2006, 02:50 PM

Hello all,

I am new to the group and was so happy when I saw you are doing a CAL on this shawl :cheer. Is the issue still on stands so that I may get this pattern? I was a little worried when I saw when this thread was started and todays date. I sure hope I can buy the issue of Knit1 and start on this project..:manyheart . Robin.

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 21, 2006, 03:40 PM

Hi WendyLee! :D
Actually Madame Kamikaze just flew up into my lap, and sent my work flying:devil.... so i think she knew that you were laughing at her!
Cats are psychic, you know! :lol!
have a great rest of the day!
:hook
hugs Noreen

Noreen, I have to comment. I have been watching you all work on this CAL with a bit of envy.:drool I can't join until I get a few projects finished.

Anyway the reason for the comment is I was just going through some of Noreen's blog and ran into the story about the cat and the beads.:rofl :laughroll

I am at work and when I read Kamikazy Kat I lost it. I have cats and could visualize that experience perfectly :eek :lookout

And the picture of the cat that could care less, perfect:cat

I am so busted for not working because my boss just had to know what was so darn funny! It's ok, it's Friday and I finished the project early:woo

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 21, 2006, 03:44 PM

Hi Robin
Yep, the butterfly shawl is in the Summer 2006 issue of Knit.1 magazine.
You can see the cover on my blog: www.hankeringforyarn.com
and if you can't find a copy, there is ordering info there.
It was actually quite the tangled ball of yarn, getting it clear how people could order a copy! :think but! it's all figured out now!:clap yay!
By the way, I don't profit by them selling any more issues.... :lol
BUT, I do LOVE working with them, and would love to have the magazine do well!
hugs:yay
Noreen
Hello all,

I am new to the group and was so happy when I saw you are doing a CAL on this shawl :cheer. Is the issue still on stands so that I may get this pattern? I was a little worried when I saw when this thread was started and todays date. I sure hope I can buy the issue of Knit1 and start on this project..:manyheart . Robin.

oklababydoll4u

July 21, 2006, 07:37 PM

Well I happend to find a copy of Knit1 at Wal-mart today while I was out and about for house supplys and I have to say I have already read the whole thing from cover to back and I am in love with this mag!!!! I will placing my order for a subscription this week!.. I am a little nervous about doing the shawl because I am not very seasoned as a crocheter , or I should say at reading patterns , but I am giving this a try. I am guessing I need to pay attention that there was a mistake in this issue and go to your website Noreen for the corrections for the butterfly shawl? Robin

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 22, 2006, 04:18 AM

Hi Robin.........
Yes, there is an error and I have posted the correction to my blog at:
http://www.hankeringforyarn.com (http://www.hankeringforyarn.com/)
Oh! my goodness! I meant to send this ~hours ago~~!
oops........... sorry about that........ I got distracted!
:blush
Noreen

Well I happend to find a copy of Knit1 at Wal-mart today while I was out and about for house supplys and I have to say I have already read the whole thing from cover to back and I am in love with this mag!!!! I will placing my order for a subscription this week!.. I am a little nervous about doing the shawl because I am not very seasoned as a crocheter , or I should say at reading patterns , but I am giving this a try. I am guessing I need to pay attention that there was a mistake in this issue and go to your website Noreen for the corrections for the butterfly shawl? Robin

sakurasaku

July 22, 2006, 04:40 AM

Hi, Robin,

I'm a crochet newbie (I started in December 2005), but I have been able to complete a square. If I can do it, you certainly can. You have all the love and support of seasoned crocheters here, so no need to worry.

Also, the corrections are for the smaller butterfly, so you can get started on the first part of the pattern (the larger butterfly and the square mesh) right away without looking at the corrections.

Good luck!

Shelleden

July 22, 2006, 09:19 AM

I still see it on stands. Saw it just last weekend at Jo Ann's. Hope you find one. If not, let me know & I'll get one for you. :hook

funkyreporter

July 22, 2006, 02:04 PM

OH MY!!! I'm becoming obsessive on this thing! I made one 'blah' colored butterfly complete with the mesh to make it into a block... then I got ahold of that gorgeous blue/green bruise colored thread and made four butterflies with that... now I found some pink/purple thread and made a half a butterfly with that (hey, it was late and I was tired!)... I LOVE making this pattern! It's so pretty and it's fun and it's easy (honestly) and it works up quickly and it's GORGEOUS!

I don't know what I'm gonna end up with... Seems that anything that stands still for too long gets crocheted into a butterfly... COOL

I should "order" myself to complete one blah colored butterfly each day and then the rest of the time could be spent on other colored butterflies... Maybe I could cover the house in butterflies! Or make Ah Leah's bed cover that she requested... OH, the possibilites are ENDLESS!!!!!!

eurolyons

July 22, 2006, 04:07 PM

It's been just way too hot to crochet anything, even a butterfly...but I have to agree, the butterfly works up very fast...I can see endless possibilities with this pattern...

funkyreporter

July 22, 2006, 04:18 PM

It's been just way too hot to crochet anything, even a butterfly...but I have to agree, the butterfly works up very fast...I can see endless possibilities with this pattern...

I must agree... I'm sitting here breaking a sweat from reading Crochetville posts!

I am going to turn a fan in my general direction, take off as much clothing as possible:eek and sit down with my daughter to watch a movie (A River Runs Through It) and.... crochet butterflies!

Can't you just see it as a stole... or a scarf... or a bed cover...

It's so gorgeous!!

THANK YOU, NOREEN!!!!!!!!

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 22, 2006, 06:52 PM

Hi Paulette
Yep! I have a million ideas of things I want to do with the butterflies...........
(grinning from ear to ear!) :manyheart
butterflies seem to have a way of multiplying, don't they?:yes
hugs
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com

I must agree... I'm sitting here breaking a sweat from reading Crochetville posts!

I am going to turn a fan in my general direction, take off as much clothing as possible:eek and sit down with my daughter to watch a movie (A River Runs Through It) and.... crochet butterflies!

Can't you just see it as a stole... or a scarf... or a bed cover...

It's so gorgeous!!

THANK YOU, NOREEN!!!!!!!!

funkyreporter

July 22, 2006, 07:48 PM

Yesterday afternoon hubby and I were in the garden looking at all the flowers (and there's a LOT of them) and we saw a beautiful black and yellow butterfly and he was just bouncing all around, kept coming close to us, then over to the flowers, then back to us... and soon one of our hummingbirds came to join him and the two of them were sort of checking each other out, bouncing from the flowers over to us... and it was so cute 'cause the bees were buzzing around too, but certain flowers only the hummingbirds and butterflies can get the nectar, and not the bees, because of the petal shape... They stayed for the longest time... it was magical...

Just talked to Ah Leah (it's 104 up where she's at - where we just got back from) and we discussed her bed cover butterfly throw... red and yellow, she says, with a cream colored mesh. I can do that. And I know it won't be fireman red or lemon yellow - we'll pick out some nice shades together when she passes through here end of August before she heads to Virginia for her Sophomore year...

funkyreporter

July 23, 2006, 12:19 AM

eurolyons

July 23, 2006, 07:11 AM

I must agree... I'm sitting here breaking a sweat from reading Crochetville posts!

I am going to turn a fan in my general direction, take off as much clothing as possible:eek and sit down with my daughter to watch a movie (A River Runs Through It) and.... crochet butterflies!

Can't you just see it as a stole... or a scarf... or a bed cover...

It's so gorgeous!!

THANK YOU, NOREEN!!!!!!!!

Absolutely!

luv2stitch

July 23, 2006, 05:51 PM

I'm glad that I stopped by to check all of the latest posts. I want to make this shawl, too and all of the hints are so helpful. I'm not sure when I'll actually get started but it'll be any day now.

oklababydoll4u

July 23, 2006, 05:54 PM

sakurasaku

July 23, 2006, 06:28 PM

Finished another butterfly!!!!!

This was made using one strand of Patons Grace Cotton, Lavender, which is probably equal to three strands of #10 thread - I love the variegated look! The mesh is one strand of #10 white cotton thread.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/Paulette112264/purpbut.jpg

Paulette, that's a lovely butterfly. Very nice colors, and your butterfly is so professional-looking.

I do have a few skeins of Patons Grace I picked up at Michael's when they had them in a clearance bin for $2 a skein. I should take them out of the stash and look at them, since my butterfly seems to work well with three strands of size 10 thread.

Thanks for the tip. :)

funkyreporter

July 23, 2006, 08:01 PM

Hello,

Well I went to Hobby Lobby to look for the supplies for this project and I could not the Lion Crochet cotton by Lion Brand??? I saw some Aunt Lydia's crochet thread in size 3 and size 10 which I didn't know if they would work. They are 100% mercerized cotton, will this work??? I would like to do the butterflys in color so I want to make sure I have all my options.. I told you I am really new at this and so I don't know what kind of thread to use.. thank you for the help.. Robin...

Robin, size 10 is the right size! Any brand will do. I don't know if any store actually carries the Lion Brand Cotton:lol at least no one has found it! Lots of color options with #10! On the website I saw the Lion Brand Cotton and it comes in two colors: white and cream...

I'm using two strands instead of four, some are using three strands... I guess some are actually following the pattern and using four!

I made a butterfly last night using one strand of Patons Grace (picture a couple posts above) and then the single strand of #10 for the mesh.

oklababydoll4u

July 24, 2006, 04:26 PM

I just wanted to let you know that I will not be able to start this project right now even after buying the book saturday and some yarn. Sunday night my daughter was attached by a dog and she had to have plastic surgury on her face, she is only 7 and I am needing to watch her over the next week to make sure the stitches in her face stay clean and moist and to just be there for her.. We go back to the docter in a week to have the stitches removed but this will involve her being taken to OR and knocked out since she is a fighter and will not allow them to touch her any other way.. I plan on starting the project maybe in 2 weeks, just not sure at the moment.. I hope everyone is having great fun with there butterflys :manyheart .. Robin.

Lisaizme

July 24, 2006, 04:39 PM

Oh my Gosh Robin, how awful for you and daughter.

I hope she does well. Please keep us updated on how things progress for you and her.

:hug

funkyreporter

July 24, 2006, 09:10 PM

Robin, I really feel for you. Must have been terrifying for her - and you! Your attention definitely needs to be on your little one right now and following the doctor's orders to the letter.

I had a very bad facial cut when I was 5 that had to be sewn up by a plastic surgeon - he took 23 stitches inside and 19 outside (it was a through and through going from the bottom of my lip to my chin). I can still remember lying there with my eyes open while my face was being sewn up (I myself was velcro'd down! - guess that was protocol for the time). The scar was barely visible for about 20 years, but over the last 15 years it is becoming more noticeable again and it is still tender!

Make sure and get second and third and fourth opinions if you have to so she isn't saddled with more scaring than can be avoided. They can do amazing things these days!

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 25, 2006, 03:19 AM

I am so sorry to hear this awful news, Robin!:(
There is nothing so dreadful as to have a child in pain!
I am sending huge hugs to you both!
I hope she heals quickly and easily, with a minimum of trauma
and that you both recover quickly!
hugs and blessings
Noreen!:hug

I just wanted to let you know that I will not be able to start this project right now even after buying the book saturday and some yarn. Sunday night my daughter was attached by a dog and she had to have plastic surgury on her face, she is only 7 and I am needing to watch her over the next week to make sure the stitches in her face stay clean and moist and to just be there for her.. We go back to the docter in a week to have the stitches removed but this will involve her being taken to OR and knocked out since she is a fighter and will not allow them to touch her any other way.. I plan on starting the project maybe in 2 weeks, just not sure at the moment.. I hope everyone is having great fun with there butterflys :manyheart .. Robin.

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 25, 2006, 02:40 PM

:yarn I think it's important that you test your threads for color fastness!:yes
Make a swatch and wash it to see if it's going to bleed or fade. I have found that some cottons can be a problem!
I LOVE Paton's Grace, but have had problems with some of the colors in the past. I hope that they have fixed them.......... but I would be really sorry if people did all the work of making the shawl, only to have a color fastness/:no lack of fastness problem...........
blessings:manyheart
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com

Lisaizme

July 25, 2006, 07:36 PM

Thanks for the heads-up Noreen. I have some Grace in Tangelo and assorted coordinating colors that has been begging to be made into something.. It's been sitting in a laundry basket beside my bed while I meditated on what. I was beginning to think that maybe this shawl was what it wanted to become.

I'm still trying to find the Baroque that is hiding somewhere in this house.. but today I couldn't look.. we went shopping for clothes to lay-away for the TAX-FREE weekend coming up. I think yarn should be included in the tax free holiday.. but I don't make the rules.. darn it.

funkyreporter

July 25, 2006, 08:53 PM

THANK YOU, Noreen, for looking out for us! I didn't even think about checing the Patons Grace for colorfastness and it would be AWFUL to do put so much into it and have it get all wierd when I went to wash it!

I'm enjoying making yarns with different colors but am also plugging along on the off-white which is the one I fell in love with!

Those butterflies are so much fun to make! What a kick!:hook

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 25, 2006, 11:06 PM

You know how that little
'eek' goes off in your head.... LOL!:eek
There's been a thread running on one of the lists I am on, but I can't for the life of me remember which one:think...... talking about things people have attempted to make their 'runny' yarns more colorfast. I think that the consensus was that there are just some yarns that are more 'fugitive' than others.... sigh........
hugs
Noreen:hook
www.crone-findlay.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com

THANK YOU, Noreen, for looking out for us! I didn't even think about checing the Patons Grace for colorfastness and it would be AWFUL to do put so much into it and have it get all wierd when I went to wash it!

I'm enjoying making yarns with different colors but am also plugging along on the off-white which is the one I fell in love with!

Those butterflies are so much fun to make! What a kick!:hook

Lisaizme

July 26, 2006, 07:36 AM

I used to use vinegar in the wash to help set colors in clothing. I suppose we could put a skein (or a test snippet) of Grace in the sink with some soap & vinegar and see what happens?

sakurasaku

July 26, 2006, 11:38 AM

Thanks for the info, Noreen!

Ever since I moved in early July, I haven't seen my Patons Grace. I will probably just go with Opera (which I still have to order...I have been looking at my butterfly made of Royale, wondering what to do with it), but if/when I find that darn Patons Grace, I may try the vinegar experiment Lisa mentioned.

Where is Shelle?

Natasha

July 26, 2006, 01:28 PM

funkyreporter

July 26, 2006, 08:47 PM

My magazine is on its way. I did a BIN on ebay.

What do you all think about this thread for this shawl?

http://www.halcyonyarn.com/Yarn_pages/yarn083.html

I may go up to a laceweight for the whole thing anyway (doubled for the butterfly, single for the mesh). I don't really enjoy working with thread.

Gosh, those are some beautiful colors! I'm gonna mark that link and check it out more closely... Curious what the weight would be equivelent to...:think

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 26, 2006, 10:47 PM

OOoh Natasha! You could eat that thread with a spoon!
Yum! gorgeous. I'd love to weave it..........
I would definitely do the wraps per inch routine with it....
I wrote a blog entry about it explaining how:
www.hankeringforyarn.com
:hook
hugs
Noreen

My magazine is on its way. I did a BIN on ebay.

What do you all think about this thread for this shawl?

http://www.halcyonyarn.com/Yarn_pages/yarn083.html

I may go up to a laceweight for the whole thing anyway (doubled for the butterfly, single for the mesh). I don't really enjoy working with thread.

funkyreporter

July 27, 2006, 12:22 AM

OOoh Natasha! You could eat that thread with a spoon!
Yum! gorgeous. I'd love to weave it..........
I would definitely do the wraps per inch routine with it....
I wrote a blog entry about it explaining how:
www.hankeringforyarn.com (http://www.hankeringforyarn.com)
:hook
hugs
Noreen

Look what was on the site for that gorgeous thread: Wraps/in: 25
I remember reading about your wraps per inch thing, Noreen, I just went and checked and #10 cotton is 34 wraps per inch. What would you suggest, Oh Talented One? This is such lovely thread... I definitely want some of this - those colors are too lovely to pass up!!!!:manyheart

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 27, 2006, 12:34 AM

When all else fails..... Fudge it!:elle:elle:woo
Sorry, couldn't resist the pink lolliphants......
:lol
Okedokey........ 25 wpi means that it is somewhat heavier than #10 thread.
So, just use 3 strands for the butterfly and 1 strand for the mesh.
With colors like those, it's worth swatching!
hugs
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com

Look what was on the site for that gorgeous thread: Wraps/in: 25
I remember reading about your wraps per inch thing, Noreen, I just went and checked and #10 cotton is 34 wraps per inch. What would you suggest, Oh Talented One? This is such lovely thread... I definitely want some of this - those colors are too lovely to pass up!!!!:manyheart

Natasha

July 27, 2006, 10:51 AM

Okedokey........ 25 wpi means that it is somewhat heavier than #10 thread.
So, just use 3 strands for the butterfly and 1 strand for the mesh.

Thank you for the tip. I really like the fact that this thread comes in cones (I can wind off balls as I need them) and the price just seems right. :yes

sammimag

July 27, 2006, 10:10 PM

I think I am going to join in on this CAL. I bought the magazine with a coupon too :) because I wanted the butterfly pattern. I am trying some yarn stash I have that I was about to get rid of because I didn't think I had a use for it. I think I do now. If my first square doesn't turn out like I would like I will have to go back to the drawing board.

My plan B or if I make a 2nd one! I like the idea of using a blue thread or fine yarn for the mesh (or maybe a light or med green) and several different colors for the butterflies.

sakurasaku

July 29, 2006, 06:46 PM

Thank you for the tip. I really like the fact that this thread comes in cones (I can wind off balls as I need them) and the price just seems right. :yes

I wonder how much of this one needs to buy for the butterfly shawl? It's 2000 yards per pound, so say you triple it for each butterfly and use a single strand for the mesh...any educated guesses? Actually, I don't have the magazine with me and I don't remember how much material was required to begin with. :blush

The colors are so lovely, that I might forego Opera for this. Thanks for the link, Natasha.

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 29, 2006, 07:15 PM

HI there! :)
How much to buy?:think

I used 12 balls of Lion Brand #10 crochet cotton for the original shawl, which works out to just under 40 oz.

So, I would buy at least that much....

I would always prefer to have too much,:yes than just not enough!:no

Hope this helps.......
hugs
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com

I wonder how much of this one needs to buy for the butterfly shawl? It's 2000 yards per pound, so say you triple it for each butterfly and use a single strand for the mesh...any educated guesses? Actually, I don't have the magazine with me and I don't remember how much material was required to begin with. :blush

The colors are so lovely, that I might forego Opera for this. Thanks for the link, Natasha.

funkyreporter

July 29, 2006, 07:50 PM

Hello Crocheters!

Just wondering how everyone's doing on their beautiful butterfly shawls... I've seen some beautiful postings and lovely color combinations!

As the 'host' for this Crochet Along I wanted to say a big THANK YOU TO NOREEN for all the help and support she's giving us, from what weight of yarn to how much to buy, and the all-important corrections for the small butterfly! How wonderful it is to have her along with us as she makes this very special shawl for her daughter's wedding! GO NOREEN!!!!!

Personally I've completed three butterflies in the color 'blah' (an off-white) three in the color 'bruise' (green shades, but no mesh on them yet) and one in a purple/blue/white with white mesh - they all look so lovely! I've also managed to amass an embarrassing amount of #10 thread in every color imaginable, which of course is not going to stop me from ordering from the beautiful thread linked in post #187 in this thread - that stuff is heavenly and those colors are like I've never seen!!!!!

I also purchased some hand-dyed yarn on eBay in the color Foggydew which is equal to a size #3 thread and it is BEGGING to be made into butterflies (of course I need to roll it into balls first...)

Happy Hooking, everyone, and I know we'd all love to see some pictures of the progress to date!!!!
:hug

Noreen Crone-Findlay

July 29, 2006, 08:07 PM

Ah shucks, thank you so much, Paulette! It's a delight to be part of the crochet a long with all of you!
:c9
I have been working my chops off on new designs for new booklets, so fingers crossed on those.... the proposals go to the review committee soon, so I am hoping that they will like what I have been doing!

And, I am working to deadlines (very tight) on new projects for a magazine,
and have been working very hard on the Peace Dolls project, which you can see at
www.sacreddollsandbears.com

And, I have been getting questions about the flat dolls that I design and make, so I posted pics of a few of the one of a kind, freeform garments that I make with them. You can see those at
www.hankeringforyarn.com

One of the things that is great about spindle spinning yarn is that it is sooooooo portable, and wonderfully mindless. Which means that I can have the pleasure of spinning when Jim drives, and also when we are in situations (like visiting etc) where I couldn't concentrate on a pattern.

I go crazy if my hands aren't in motion, so spindle spinning is a blessing.
And, spinning silk is unbelievably addictive! It's pure magic.

:hookhugs all round
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com

Hello Crocheters!

Just wondering how everyone's doing on their beautiful butterfly shawls... I've seen some beautiful postings and lovely color combinations!

As the 'host' for this Crochet Along I wanted to say a big THANK YOU TO NOREEN for all the help and support she's giving us, from what weight of yarn to how much to buy, and the all-important corrections for the small butterfly! How wonderful it is to have her along with us as she makes this very special shawl for her daughter's wedding! GO NOREEN!!!!!

Personally I've completed three butterflies in the color 'blah' (an off-white) three in the color 'bruise' (green shades, but no mesh on them yet) and one in a purple/blue/white with white mesh - they all look so lovely! I've also managed to amass an embarrassing amount of #10 thread in every color imaginable, which of course is not going to stop me from ordering from the beautiful thread linked in post #187 in this thread - that stuff is heavenly and those colors are like I've never seen!!!!!

I also purchased some hand-dyed yarn on eBay in the color Foggydew which is equal to a size #3 thread and it is BEGGING to be made into butterflies (of course I need to roll it into balls first...)

Happy Hooking, everyone, and I know we'd all love to see some pictures of the progress to date!!!!
:hug

Natasha

July 30, 2006, 08:04 PM

The colors are so lovely, that I might forego Opera for this. Thanks for the link, Natasha.

You're quite welcome. :)

Funky, as for the progress update, I'm still waiting for my magazine in the mail. *sigh* Will wait to order the thread till I have the pattern in hand.

sakurasaku

July 31, 2006, 08:49 AM

Just wanted to link to this thread (http://www.crochetville.org/forum/showthread.php?t=30852) (see Nightowl's post) about Perle Cotton. She says this is loosely twisted and not very sturdy...? I posted a question in that thread, but there was no answer... Has anyone used this? The colors sure are gorgeous, though.

Oh, and yes, big thanks to Noreen from me as well for looking out for us and answering all the questions. We are so lucky and I'm very grateful for all the help.

Natasha

July 31, 2006, 10:14 PM

Just wanted to link to this thread (http://www.crochetville.org/forum/showthread.php?t=30852) (see Nightowl's post) about Perle Cotton. She says this is loosely twisted and not very sturdy...? I posted a question in that thread, but there was no answer... Has anyone used this? The colors sure are gorgeous, though.

Sheesh. Now I'm confused! Thank you for that link. Looks like we need a little more information before a decision can be made about the Halcyon thread.

sakurasaku

August 2, 2006, 01:43 PM

This was my question emailed to Halcyon:

How does your 5/2 Pearl Cotton compare to DMC and Anchor brands' Perle Cotton? Your descriptions sound like your product is suitable for crocheting, but I wanted to make sure that it is actually durable and can be washed, unlike those intended for embroidering.

Thank you for your assistance.

Here is the answer I got from Halcyon:

Thank you for thinking of Halcyon Yarn. The 5/2 Pearl cotton we have is very strong and can be washed. The 5/2 is similar in weight to the DMC Brilliant crochet cotton. It is like the 5 Pearle cotton from Anchor I think. Hope this helps you.

So, it sounds like it's durable enough for the butterfly shawl...

Natasha

August 2, 2006, 03:32 PM

Thanks for that information! :)

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 2, 2006, 04:14 PM

Oh! and I should also mention that, when you are deciding which yarn/thread to use, and making your swatches, try using different size hooks.

For instance, I am using just 3 strands of the handspun silk and a 'G' hook for my butterfly body, and a 2.5 mm steel hook for the mesh, with a single strand of thread/yarn.
hugs and blessings
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com

eurolyons

August 3, 2006, 06:57 AM

Noreen, I just wanted to tell you that while I've only made the one square just to see how the pattern would work for me (I jused sock yarn and one strand throughout, but just to see how the pattern would work) I really, really, really like your pattern...very different, very old world, but very high end and modern at the same time. Extremely impressed and can't wait to get started on this project for real...but I'm up to my eyeballs with other projects at the moment that I'm trying in vain to finish up so I can get to this project...

Thank you for being in this thread to give us a helping hand too. Kudos!

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 3, 2006, 02:16 PM

Thank you so much, Eurolyons!:D
I am so pleased that you are happy with the pattern!
I had to grin, as a lady on another list said that she was just amazed at how the butterfly took shape when you followed the pattern:lol

That's because I worked reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally hard to
MAKE it work :lol
chortle chortle!

And, now I am hard at work on designs for the 2007 season! Grinning from ear to ear! And, having so much positive feedback has really helped me with some of the design decisions I am making about new projects!

:manyheart So, talking directly with my crochet fellow travellers is just wonderful for me! It means that I get a sense of what people would like to work on!
big hugs:yay
Noreen
Noreen, I just wanted to tell you that while I've only made the one square just to see how the pattern would work for me (I jused sock yarn and one strand throughout, but just to see how the pattern would work) I really, really, really like your pattern...very different, very old world, but very high end and modern at the same time. Extremely impressed and can't wait to get started on this project for real...but I'm up to my eyeballs with other projects at the moment that I'm trying in vain to finish up so I can get to this project...

Thank you for being in this thread to give us a helping hand too. Kudos!

funkyreporter

August 3, 2006, 10:53 PM

Noreen, I just wanted to give you credit for the compliments I get on this butterfly pattern as I work on it at work... I do a little work, too, but you know... I get the question, "What are you knitting?" (doesn't bother me that they don't know the difference - I love an opportunity to share the joy of our craft) - and when I lay the butterfly out flat, or pull a finished one from my bag, they just can't believe it! They say, "Oh, that looks SO HARD!! How can you do that??" And I just smile and say, "It helps to have a very well-designed pattern!" And I show the knit.1 book and offer to teach anyone the basics and tell them how to get the book!:manyheart

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 3, 2006, 11:10 PM

Ah, Paulette! You just made my day! thank you sooooooooooo much!
big big hugs
Noreen!
:c9
Noreen, I just wanted to give you credit for the compliments I get on this butterfly pattern as I work on it at work... I do a little work, too, but you know... I get the question, "What are you knitting?" (doesn't bother me that they don't know the difference - I love an opportunity to share the joy of our craft) - and when I lay the butterfly out flat, or pull a finished one from my bag, they just can't believe it! They say, "Oh, that looks SO HARD!! How can you do that??" And I just smile and say, "It helps to have a very well-designed pattern!" And I show the knit.1 book and offer to teach anyone the basics and tell them how to get the book!:manyheart

creativepassage

August 4, 2006, 04:12 PM

HI All!
O.k....I've been following this thread for awhile now and I just can't resist any longer. Must! Do! Butterfly! Shawl! It is so beautiful!!
Becky

sakurasaku

August 4, 2006, 04:44 PM

So glad to have you with us, a Creative One! I haven't even bought the thread yet, so it's good to have someone starting. :D I think Paulette is, like, done with 4 shawls already (I'm exaggerating, naturally).

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 4, 2006, 04:50 PM

Yes! join us as we take wing!:clap:cheer
blessings
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com
www.hankeringforyarn.com

HI All!
O.k....I've been following this thread for awhile now and I just can't resist any longer. Must! Do! Butterfly! Shawl! It is so beautiful!!
Becky

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 4, 2006, 04:53 PM

:lol
well, sakurasaku,
I guess it's time to get the butterfly gang to drop in and see what everyone's
hooks have been butterflying at!;)
That didn't make sense, but what the heck, you know what I mean! :think
:manyheart
blessings
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com (http://www.crone-findlay.com/)
www.sacreddollsandbears.com (http://www.sacreddollsandbears.com/)
www.hankeringforyarn.com (http://www.hankeringforyarn.com/)

So glad to have you with us, a Creative One! I haven't even bought the thread yet, so it's good to have someone starting. :D I think Paulette is, like, done with 4 shawls already (I'm exaggerating, naturally).

Lisaizme

August 7, 2006, 10:42 PM

Look! Look! Someone on the Craftster site has finished one!

http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=96999.0

xampx

August 8, 2006, 11:12 AM

Hi, i have to admit i havent read all 21 pages of this thread, but i just saw the shawl and i love it. How do i get the pattern if im in England and the magazine isnt available? Is it available to buy online?

sakurasaku

August 8, 2006, 11:24 AM

I can send one to you if there is a copy at the local book store (the last time I saw about 30 copies of them...). PM me if you like. I think sending publications overseas ("book rate") is pretty inexpensive.

sakurasaku

August 8, 2006, 12:08 PM

Look! Look! Someone on the Craftster site has finished one!

http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=96999.0

She did it in a week...! :eek It looks beautiful.

AuntDebbie

August 8, 2006, 01:59 PM

I have the magazine just need the yarn. I will be going out to walmart this week! I will look for yarn!! Noreen so happy to have you here with us!!
Blessings, Debra
http://myvintagehome.blog-city.com

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 8, 2006, 02:52 PM

Thank you so much, AuntDebbie! I hope you will enjoy making the shawl!
I am loving being part of the crochet along, although I have gotten sideswiped by deadlines for new projects for upcoming magazines and books.
LOL!
I design winter in summer and summer in winter!
hugs and blessings
Noreen
I have the magazine just need the yarn. I will be going out to walmart this week! I will look for yarn!! Noreen so happy to have you here with us!!
Blessings, Debra
http://myvintagehome.blog-city.com

pplcrochets

August 8, 2006, 02:55 PM

I'm in! found the mag, have the thread (I think). Noreen, is the Lion cotton a #10? - I've got a beautiful gold acrylic #10 I'd like to try in its place, if you think it would work. I like it much better than cotton thread.

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 8, 2006, 03:32 PM

Hi Pplcrochets
Yay! gold will be gorgeous! and yes, the Lion crochet cotton is #10.
In my blog, there is an entry on checking to see if your thread or yarn will match up. It's a weaver/spinner's trick called WPI (wraps per inch).
If you go to www.hankeringforyarn.com (http://www.hankeringforyarn.com)
and scroll along to that entry, all will be revealed :yes
blessings
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com (http://www.crone-findlay.com)
I'm in! found the mag, have the thread (I think). Noreen, is the Lion cotton a #10? - I've got a beautiful gold acrylic #10 I'd like to try in its place, if you think it would work. I like it much better than cotton thread.

AuntDebbie

August 8, 2006, 03:44 PM

Noreen, I believe we have met.. through maybe a weaving group or a drop spindling group? I have your book Creative Crochet Dolls which I love- but sadly have yet to crochet a doll..maybe another summer project :-)
I didn't realize that lion brand cotton is #10 I have plenty of that!!!yay!!
Blessings, Debra
http://myvintagehome.blog-city.com

pplcrochets

August 8, 2006, 04:06 PM

Norene, thank you so much for your gracious reply; you *could* have gently asked me to read the rest of the posts (which I just finished doing :oops, that'll teach me to post without reading the whole thread!), since my question had been asked only about a gazillion times already! :eek

I haven't checked this thread's wpi, but I'll do that, and work up a swatch to see how it goes.

found and noted the errata page, thank you! and thank you for making it possible to order the magazine online - I know many folks will need that once the summer issue is replaced on newstands by the next one. CAL's tend to have long lives.....

Hellbo

August 8, 2006, 04:10 PM

The shawl looks fab, but I don't know if I can get the magazine in U.K
Would love to join in & it would be my first CAL - i will try & get mag
Fingers Crossed

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 8, 2006, 07:50 PM

Oh, no problem, Patricia! :lol
I teach a lot of workshops, and I figure that people come in when they come in and it doesn't take much to bring people up to speed, so why fuss?
LOL!

And, yep. I am FANATICAL about making swatches!:hook
Swatches are our friends! and so is the WPI....
I always figure, the more info I can gather, the happier a camper I will be!
:yay
hugs
Noreen
Norene, thank you so much for your gracious reply; you *could* have gently asked me to read the rest of the posts (which I just finished doing :oops, that'll teach me to post without reading the whole thread!), since my question had been asked only about a gazillion times already! :eek

I haven't checked this thread's wpi, but I'll do that, and work up a swatch to see how it goes.

found and noted the errata page, thank you! and thank you for making it possible to order the magazine online - I know many folks will need that once the summer issue is replaced on newstands by the next one. CAL's tend to have long lives.....

sakurasaku

August 9, 2006, 01:15 PM

The shawl looks fab, but I don't know if I can get the magazine in U.K
Would love to join in & it would be my first CAL - i will try & get mag
Fingers Crossed

I sent this link (http://www.twistfibrecraft.co.uk/boo...ines/mags.html) to someone else in the UK. It's 4.25 BP including shipping and handling. Not too bad.

Patricia, I think it's perfectly fine for someone to not want to wade through 20-odd pages of all the posts if one is joining a CAL in the middle (to confess, I post without reading the whole thread all the time. :blush Think about having to read 500+ posts in the *** thread before posting!). Noreen has been wonderful to us, patiently guiding us through our questions and foibles...:)

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 9, 2006, 03:07 PM

You made my day, Sakurasaku! thank you so much! :hug
It's my pleasure to be part of the CAL on the shawl, although, right now, I am busting my chops to meet deadline on new projects for the winter issue of a magazine..... eek!
:) blessings
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com (http://www.crone-findlay.com)
www.sacreddollsandbears.com (http://www.sacreddollsandbears.com)
www.hankeringforyarn.com (http://www.hankeringforyarn.com)

I sent this link (http://www.twistfibrecraft.co.uk/boo...ines/mags.html) to someone else in the UK. It's 4.25 BP including shipping and handling. Not too bad.

Patricia, I think it's perfectly fine for someone to not want to wade through 20-odd pages of all the posts if one is joining a CAL in the middle (to confess, I post without reading the whole thread all the time. :blush Think about having to read 500+ posts in the *** thread before posting!). Noreen has been wonderful to us, patiently guiding us through our questions and foibles...:)

Ah Leah

August 9, 2006, 10:45 PM

hischildsindi

August 9, 2006, 11:38 PM

Okay, I went to my local Hobby Lobby tonight to see, with a hope and a wish that this magazine would be there. I don't know when I will do so, but I do know I love butterflies and I want to do this shawl, so I had to get it when there was one on the shelf. Didn't hurt that I could use the 40% off coupon on it. Now it will be just when and with what. :)

funkyreporter

August 10, 2006, 12:12 AM

Hey mom,
Just saw this thread. I know, I know, I'll be seeing you in 3 days (!), but I took a look at some of the colors of thread stuff (yeah, that's the technical term for all that were wondering) in reply 187 and I decided that I want either 188 and 115 with 109 as the other stuff, or 148 and 145, with 114 as the filler stuff. And yes, you are making this bedspread size, not shall size.

*hugs* *hugs* *kisses* *kisses*
Don't worry, you have 'til christmas. At least I'm not asking for a video game (todd), or straight up cash (tim), or breast implants (tara). Right?

Isn't that thread stuff stunning? I just love it... so glad you 'shopped' through there and found picked some colors... I've been looking for an excuse to get some. I couldn't decide so I ordered the swatch card so we'll be able to look at it together when you come home and you can decide for sure if the colors look the same in preson as they do on the computer!

Bedspread it is!!!!! I'm so excited:cheer

Love you, Honey!!!!!

funkyreporter

August 11, 2006, 02:23 AM

I just wanted to post regarding the thread first mentioned in post #187 (here's the link for easy access.)

http://www.halcyonyarn.com/Yarn_pages/yarn083.html

I ordered the swatch card for $2 and it arrived today along with two full size magazines of their full line of products. Now the following is my personal opinion, I have never used this stuff or bought from this company, but I must say this looks like some really high-quality stuff!

The color swatch card has all the colors shown for the Pearl thread listed above and in FOUR different sizes, 20, 10, 5, and 3. It is gorgeous thread and the colors are amazing! I'm really glad I got the swatch card because even though the colors on my monitor are pretty true to the actual yarn, it's just nicer to see the yarn in your hand and if you're combining colors it's very helpful!

The catalogs that came with the swatch card show a huge line of really beautiful fibers and they also carry a lot of supplies for tatting, spinning, and books on spinning and dyeing. I would recommend to anyone who is undecided on their yarn colors for this beautiful shawl (or if you're interetsed in learning to spin or dye it yourself) that you invest the $2 in the swatch card and check out this lovely option...

Oh, and I will DEFINITELY be placing an order! If you read above you'll see that my daughter Ah Leah is already choosing colors from the on-line site, but she comes home Saturday for four days so she'll be looking through the swatch card and my order will be in!

I imagine Noreen would be able to give information on spinning resources (once she meets her deadlines) and whether or not there are more economical options as the spinning supplies are a bit expensive...

Natasha

August 11, 2006, 10:18 AM

funkyreporter

August 11, 2006, 10:54 AM

Thank you, Paulette. I think I will order the swatch card, too, because I just don't know enough about this type of thread to make an educated guess on what to order. What size thread are you leaning toward?

The thread called for in the pattern is #10, though Noreen spins her own thread so I don't know what size that would be! And the pattern recommended four strands held together which wasn't happening for me!

I have made several butterflies using an off-white #10 thread (post 80)that I got at Michael's, but I'm only using two strands together instead of four - I've posted pics of some of my butterflies and they don't look too malnourished!

I've also made some butterflies (post 140) using something called 'double spun' - also a thread from Michael's, a variegated (pictures posted previously) and I guess that would be equivelent to two strands of #10.

I did one butterfly using Paton's Grace (post 171) and then one strand of white #10...

My daughter Ah Leah wants me to make her a bed throw (no problem:eek ) and she will be choosing colors from the swatch card... I think I'll try three strands, but don't know what colors she's gonna give me.

As I mentioned, the swatch card has samples of sizes 3, 5, 10 and 20 - 20 is close to sewing thread sized!!!! I cannot even imagine...:think

creativepassage

August 11, 2006, 06:36 PM

Ok...I finally decided on the color and placed an order to Halcyon. Definitely a hard decision! I chose color #157, a deep blue. Now I can't wait for it to get here :hyper

tezcatlipoca98

August 12, 2006, 05:17 AM

I've started one butterfly motif. I was using non-LB crochet cotton for the meshy part. It's feels hard and scratchy and I hate it. Any suggestions?

Lisaizme

August 12, 2006, 06:02 AM

I've started one butterfly motif. I was using non-LB crochet cotton for the meshy part. It's feels hard and scratchy and I hate it. Any suggestions?

What brand are you using? There's crochet cotton and then there's Crochet Cotton. :) Some of the cheap stuff is just fine for things that aren't going to be on the body (IMO), but if it's going to lay next to my skin, I prefer nicer thread.

Some of the nicer threads are Cebelia and Opera, but they can be pricey, depending on your budget. Baroque might be a decent compromise (still haven't found my stash yet.. too much to do getting kid ready to go back to college).

Someone in an earlier post listed some sites that evaluated threads. Sorry I don't remember the urls.

Good luck. Hope this helps a little bit.

Natasha

August 12, 2006, 09:25 AM

Ok...I finally decided on the color and placed an order to Halcyon. Definitely a hard decision! I chose color #157, a deep blue. Now I can't wait for it to get here :hyper

If you don't mind, would you tell me how many yards you ordered? Did you order the big 1 pound cone(s) or the mini cones? And did you order the number 10 size? All this MATH is driving me nuts, and I can't figure out how much to order. The MATH, always the MATH!!!:no

Natasha

August 12, 2006, 09:29 AM

As I mentioned, the swatch card has samples of sizes 3, 5, 10 and 20 - 20 is close to sewing thread sized!!!! I cannot even imagine...:think

What I meant was, what's size are you leaning toward from Halcyon? How do the numbers 3 and 5 threads look to you? I'm thinking I might order number 5, two held together for the butterfly and a single strand for the mesh. Decisions, decisions!

funkyreporter

August 12, 2006, 12:10 PM

What I meant was, what's size are you leaning toward from Halcyon? How do the numbers 3 and 5 threads look to you? I'm thinking I might order number 5, two held together for the butterfly and a single strand for the mesh. Decisions, decisions!

You know, Natasha, that's a really good question! I guess I'd originally thought I'd stick with the #10, but now that you mention it maybe I'll go to two strands of #5! Ah Leah (my daughter) is coming home today from her summer job and will be here for four days before she heads to Virginia so we will go over the swatch card and pick her colors for her bedspread and I think a heavier thread would be better.

So far I've used #10 threads, but this Halcyon is some REALLY NICE STUFF! It is beautiful. I would recommend to anyone who is 'on the fence' regarding color or thread size to order the swatch card... but watch out, 'cause they send two amazing THICK magazines with it showing their whole line of everything from raw fibers to be spun, spinning wheels, dyeing supplies, and then a zillion gorgeous yarns in every fiber imaginable and with an array of colors like I've never seen...

Ah, decisions, decisions...

Has anyone else actually received and started working with the Halcyon thread? I'd love to hear some reviews!

creativepassage

August 12, 2006, 02:56 PM

If you don't mind, would you tell me how many yards you ordered? Did you order the big 1 pound cone(s) or the mini cones? And did you order the number 10 size? All this MATH is driving me nuts, and I can't figure out how much to order. The MATH, always the MATH!!!:no

LOL! I know what you mean! :think O.k..the pattern calls for 12 balls of LC at 400 yds each, so that works out to be 4,800 yards. I ended up ordering three 1lb cones as they are 2,000 yards each..and knowing me I'll need the extra:yes and one can never have enough pretty thread!!

You might want to check out posts 190 and 191. The 5/2 Pearl cotton thread I ordered from Halcyon on this page - http://www.halcyonyarn.com/Yarn_pages/yarn083.html - is 25 wraps per inch which is a slightly heavier thread than #10 which according to our wonderful Noreen is 34 wraps per inch. I'm going to swatch to see if I want to do 4 strands together or 3.

Does that help?

hugs!

Natasha

August 12, 2006, 03:11 PM

Yes, Becky, that helps immensely! And thank you for your response, Paulette. I'm going to go ahead and order the swatch card, although I'm pretty sure I want the "natural" color.

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 12, 2006, 04:46 PM

Hallo m'dears!
Oh, phooooooooo:(
what a week....... my beloved and constant companion, Minnie Cat died suddenly on Sunday, which totally knocked me for a loop. She posed non stop for the photos in my book: Soul Mate Dolls: Dollmaking as a Healing Art, and was always interested in everything Jim and I were doing. She loved 'helping' with whatever was in progress, which often lead to her 'randomizing' things!
Oh my.........
So, her sudden death from a blood clot has really been hard!

Also, apologies on not being particularly visible with the CAL, as I have been busting my chops on new projects. One of which has been a bear to work out the math on. I thought I had it, and was quite pleased, but woke up this morning knowing that I had to go back to the drawing board on it.:eek Sigh.
So, ribbit ribbit ribbit............. more math, and re-working! It's worth it though to get it right. It's tricky, tho, as this is border-line: the project is close to being right on,:no but just enough off that I would always think.... shoulda fixed it.............. so my intuition says: To heck with the work, do it over!
So, that's what I am doing! Although, I have sneaked in some silk spinning to save my sanity. Need to spin lots as my daughter and I decided that she needs a shrug as well as a shawl. Luckily, I have a wonderful shrug design that will be coming out in a new book just at the same time as her wedding:clap
So, I will make her one in the handspun ivory colored silk, and one for me in silvery handspun silk that has multicolored blobbies in it.:hook

Paulette, you were asking about spinning? I am a spindle spinner, and am using tiny handmade spindles that are supported on my leg for the singles and top whorl drop spindles for the plying.
Does that help?
hugs
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com
www.sacreddollsandbears.com (http://www.sacreddollsandbears.com)
www.hankeringforyarn.com (http://www.hankeringforyarn.com)

funkyreporter

August 12, 2006, 06:15 PM

Wow, Noreen, you've had a heck of a time. I am really so sorry to hear about your cat - what a loss, and so suddenly. I know how sad you must be and my heart really goes out to you.

Sounds like that bear is taking you for a few rounds! I can only imagine as a designer you are your own worst critic and have to keep 'tweaking' your designs until they're just perfect... must be quite a process!

A shrug and a shawl for your daughter's wedding, how lovely! You know we'll be anxiously awaiting pictures (I realize it will be a while) and of course you'll have to link us to the publication of your shrug pattern when it comes out... and anything else you have coming out too! Your designs are lovely. Will these be knit or crochet?

And as for spinning, that is so interesting that you use the small wooden drop spindle. I've never done any spinning (unless you count turning in circles until you fall over) but in looking thorugh the Halcyon book (which I'm sure is not the most economic source for such things) they had spinning wheels upwards of $600 to $1,000 and then I saw that little drop spindle thing for about $20 and got to thinking, "so what's the problem with the cheaper model?" Apparently NOTHING!!:yay so I'm gonna get me one! And maybe the book on what to do to get things going! Thank you for introducing me to yet another aspect of fiber crafts... maybe I'll order the book on dyeing techniques too:blush ...

pplcrochets

August 12, 2006, 07:04 PM

Paulette, you go girl! Just imagine all the new stuff you can get into (trouble) with spinning your own fiber - you are so brave! Haven't started a butterfly yet - was finishing up the traveling hook committment, and several other promises before practicing a butterfly. Just about ready...

Noreen, I am so, so sorry to hear about your furbaby :hug
I lost mine about 2 years ago at the age of 18, and we knew about 1 week out it was just a matter of time (cats can hide things for the longest time, the vet tells me), but it still hurts two years later. I really feel for you that you didn't have any time to prepare, and hope you'll be feeling better soon. Come here for hugs and kisses when you're feeling lonely - we're here for you!

xoxoxox

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 13, 2006, 02:41 AM

Thanks so much, Paulette! We're sure missing our furbaby! So is her kittysister!

I had some serious math to work out with the new pattern, :thinkbut I am pleased, and feel that it was worth it, so people will be able to have fun making it! :yes

One thing about spindles, is that it's really great if you can actually take some for a test spin before you buy them..... I have some that are fab, and some that just don't work well for me. If you can lay hands on a book called: Hands on Spinning or Handspinning then you'll be a happy camper!

BTW, I cracked up when you talked about whirling around until you fell over .... brought back memories of childhood, of zipping round and round in circles till the the ground swung up and smacked me twixt the eyes! LOL!
That, and playing on a whirlie thing at the playground by my grandmother's house.... we would run in circles and make it go faster and faster till we were almost sick! LOL! I haven't seen one of those things in years. I think they figured out that kids were half killing themselves on them!
Thanks again! :hug
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com (http://www.crone-findlay.com)
Wow, Noreen, you've had a heck of a time. I am really so sorry to hear about your cat - what a loss, and so suddenly. I know how sad you must be and my heart really goes out to you.

Sounds like that bear is taking you for a few rounds! I can only imagine as a designer you are your own worst critic and have to keep 'tweaking' your designs until they're just perfect... must be quite a process!

A shrug and a shawl for your daughter's wedding, how lovely! You know we'll be anxiously awaiting pictures (I realize it will be a while) and of course you'll have to link us to the publication of your shrug pattern when it comes out... and anything else you have coming out too! Your designs are lovely. Will these be knit or crochet?

And as for spinning, that is so interesting that you use the small wooden drop spindle. I've never done any spinning (unless you count turning in circles until you fall over) but in looking thorugh the Halcyon book (which I'm sure is not the most economic source for such things) they had spinning wheels upwards of $600 to $1,000 and then I saw that little drop spindle thing for about $20 and got to thinking, "so what's the problem with the cheaper model?" Apparently NOTHING!!:yay so I'm gonna get me one! And maybe the book on what to do to get things going! Thank you for introducing me to yet another aspect of fiber crafts... maybe I'll order the book on dyeing techniques too:blush ...

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 13, 2006, 02:44 AM

I agree, Patricia, I am addicted to spinning! I am a true yarnaholic, and being able to spin my own yarn is just delicious!
and thanks so much for your kind words, and my condolences on the death of your kittybaby!
:hug right back to you!
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com (http://www.crone-findlay.com)

Paulette, you go girl! Just imagine all the new stuff you can get into (trouble) with spinning your own fiber - you are so brave! Haven't started a butterfly yet - was finishing up the traveling hook committment, and several other promises before practicing a butterfly. Just about ready...

Noreen, I am so, so sorry to hear about your furbaby :hug
I lost mine about 2 years ago at the age of 18, and we knew about 1 week out it was just a matter of time (cats can hide things for the longest time, the vet tells me), but it still hurts two years later. I really feel for you that you didn't have any time to prepare, and hope you'll be feeling better soon. Come here for hugs and kisses when you're feeling lonely - we're here for you!

xoxoxox

Natasha

August 13, 2006, 04:57 PM

Noreen, so sorry about your furkid's passing. The death of a beloved animal is so hard.

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 13, 2006, 05:12 PM

It is hard.....
thanks Natasha, and hugs,
Noreen:hug
www.crone-findlay.com (http://www.crone-findlay.com)
Noreen, so sorry about your furkid's passing. The death of a beloved animal is so hard.

WendyLee

August 14, 2006, 01:09 PM

Noreen,

I am very sorry to hear about the sudden loss of your very good friend! I lost 2 of my friends in the same year (2 years ago). The cat had been with me 15 years and the German Shephard for 10. One in November the other in May. That was such a bum year. It is harder than a lot of people think. I still miss them both!

sakurasaku

August 14, 2006, 05:37 PM

Noreen, I am so sorry to hear that your beloved cat passed away... Once I lost a baby bird that I found in the yard and didn't make it. Although I "owned it" for only one day, I cried for three days pretty much non-stop. So I can't even imagine when it's a real pet...especially when she was so involved with your activities...:hug

Noreen Crone-Findlay

August 14, 2006, 07:00 PM

Thank you so much, WendyLee, and I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your dear fuzzyfriends, too............ yes, it is a rough one!
hugs
Noreen
www.crone-findlay.com (http://www.crone-findlay.com)
Noreen,

I am very sorry to hear about the sudden loss of your very good friend! I lost 2 of my friends in the same year (2 years ago). The cat had been with me 15 years and the German Shephard for 10. One in November the other in May. That was such a bum year. It is harder than a lot of people think. I still miss them both!